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  • CRTguns
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 2627

    45 ACP revolver problems

    45 ACP in my SW 625 five incher. Shooting Bear creek lead 200 gr RN...

    CANNOT get a lead that burns all the powder up. Lots of flakes of unburnt and mostly just discolored powder grains. (so reloading w/ moon in a hurry is a problem cause moon sticks half way in the chamber due to all the particulate)

    Already hit the chambers with a plug guage, and mic'ed the bulelts- all the right size.

    I'm thinking that the Lead too soft- so pressure won't spike...???
    Tried
    Intl calys
    Uni Clays
    231
    all from @ 800 to 950 fps loads.


    Similar issues out there?
  • #2
    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    I have the 4" version of the 625 (2005 vintage); I only shoot jacketed factory ammo (for now).

    Gun shoots 230gr FMJ just great - especially Magtech (!) Dead-nuts accuracy.

    Also shot some 185s (TMJs I believe) just fine.

    Bill Wiese
    San Jose, CA

    CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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    • #3
      homerm14
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 630

      I have several 625's (including one of my favorite revolvers a 625 mountain gun). I generally shoot 230 grain fmjs with no problem. I seem to have leading issues with soft lead bullets so stay away from them. Usually the problem is in the forcing cone. I know this does'nt help you much but I am also interested in an answer.

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      • #4
        eaglemike
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jan 2008
        • 3938

        You need to run Clays. It's faster and cleaner, the other stuff is slower. The pressure levels you're running won't burn the other stuff completely, esp Uni Clays. Be sure you have enough crimp (taper or roll) that you can't push the bullet deeper into the case by pushing it against the side of a bench.

        This recommendation is from personal experience. Others have proved use of this powder at all. It burns extremely clean at 650 fps using a 185 Bear Creek 185SWC.
        all the best,
        Mike
        Last edited by eaglemike; 11-04-2008, 6:24 AM.
        There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

        It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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        • #5
          Two Shots
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 2022

          HERCO powder works well with lead bullets in the 45acp.
          "I have a love interest in every one of my films - a gun."
          - Arnold Schwarzenegger

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          • #6
            Californio
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2006
            • 4169

            I have had the same problem using my pet Gold Cup load of 5.3gr of W231 with 200 gr. Rainer plated in the 625 and am looking to experiment with both Titegroup and HS-6.
            "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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            • #7
              redcliff
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2008
              • 5676

              In the old days, we used to use Bullseye powder for light loads with lead bullets in .45acp. Bullseye is a fast burning powder.
              "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
              "What we get away with isn't usually the same as what's good for us"
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              "While Ruger DA revolvers may be built like a tank, they have the aesthetics of one also,
              although I suppose there are a few tanks which I owe an apology to for that remark"

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              • #8
                bohoki
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 20825

                Originally posted by redcliff
                In the old days, we used to use Bullseye powder for light loads with lead bullets in .45acp. Bullseye is a fast burning powder.
                yea put 4.8 of bullseye in there you wont see a flake left

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                • #9
                  TonyM
                  In Memoriam
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3071

                  Originally posted by bwiese
                  I have the 4" version of the 625 (2005 vintage); I only shoot jacketed factory ammo (for now).

                  Gun shoots 230gr FMJ just great - especially Magtech (!) Dead-nuts accuracy.

                  Also shot some 185s (TMJs I believe) just fine.

                  What?

                  Are you telling me you still haven't setup your Dillon?

                  Tell Gene and Kevin that you can't work this weekend and get it setup and running!
                  Disenfranchised NRA Benefactor Life Member.

                  Originally posted by NorCalK9.com
                  Also dont worry if u have never built one once you go to a build party you will know everything and have a perfect functioning rifle.

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                  • #10
                    CRTguns
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2627

                    Originally posted by eaglemike
                    You need to run Clays. It's faster and cleaner, the other stuff is slower. The pressure levels you're running won't burn the other stuff completely, esp Uni Clays. Be sure you have enough crimp (taper or roll) that you can't push the bullet deeper into the case by pushing it against the side of a bench.

                    This recommendation is from personal experience. Others have proved use of this powder at all. It burns extremely clean at 650 fps using a 185 Bear Creek 185SWC.
                    all the best,
                    Mike

                    A guy who is USPSA Master class revolver shooter just told me the same thing.
                    Clays seems better... I will work on the crimp.

                    Next, I'm trying GAP brass... reduced case capacity might help too. Gap ammo loads like lightning when on moon clips.

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                    • #11
                      HowardW56
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 5901

                      Originally posted by CRTguns
                      45 ACP in my SW 625 five incher. Shooting Bear creek lead 200 gr RN...

                      CANNOT get a lead that burns all the powder up. Lots of flakes of unburnt and mostly just discolored powder grains. (so reloading w/ moon in a hurry is a problem cause moon sticks half way in the chamber due to all the particulate)

                      Already hit the chambers with a plug guage, and mic'ed the bulelts- all the right size.

                      I'm thinking that the Lead too soft- so pressure won't spike...???
                      Tried
                      Intl calys
                      Uni Clays
                      231
                      all from @ 800 to 950 fps loads.


                      Similar issues out there?
                      I have a 625-2 that doesn't like lead at all.... Jacketed ammo all day without a problem...
                      sigpic

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                      • #12
                        Moonclip
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 4390

                        Never fired much lead in my .45acp S&w revolvers, they are pretty darn accurate with 230 fmj though, the 25-2 does not like Wolf or Blazer though.
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                        • #13
                          bwiese
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 27621

                          Originally posted by TonyM
                          What?

                          Are you telling me you still haven't setup your Dillon?

                          Tell Gene and Kevin that you can't work this weekend and get it setup and running!
                          Some of us need to clean up our garages. Lotsa stuff in there after remodel.

                          And been busy building new products.

                          Bill Wiese
                          San Jose, CA

                          CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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                          No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are
                          to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net
                          ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my
                          employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
                          legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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