Military dumps Beretta M9 platform..

[ifilef]

Just not worth it. Besides, the pistol is a secondary weapon and apparently not used very much in combat. so it's more likely that injury will occur in non-combat situations.

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[Cunha]

The ugly update to the m9a1...what beretta called the m9a2, that was rejected and rightly so.

A glock won't cut it for their use. Besides the safety issue glocks barely work with flash lights and that is a major issue for the military these days.

Maybe an fnx or something similar. I'd bet good money that tthey get another 9mm too. We are really very nato.

[Cunha]

The ugly update to the m9a1...what beretta called the m9a2 or something, that was rejected and rightly so. We won't see another gi handgun for some time.

A glock won't cut it for their use. Besides the safety issue glocks barely work with flash lights and that is a major issue for the military these days.

Maybe an fnx or something similar. I'd bet good money that they get another 9mm too. We are really very nato.

[.45 ACP]

There will be many more injuries, if not deaths, using the Glock unless Glock incorporates a manual safety.

Quote of the thread. It only took 28 post for this ridiculous FUD to be posted.

I mean with Glock being the most popular law enforcement weapon for over a decade, it's such a tragedy all of these cops dying left and right from negligent discharges. Oh right, that never happened and that scenario only exist in the minds of FUD spreaders like ifilef.

A little advice, you should probably stick to things you actually have real knowledge on rather than spreading ignorant FUD. Thanks.

[.45 ACP]

THIS, exactly what I was getting at above.

(...and I'm a Glock fan)

Oh hum. Well since you are a Glock fan, care to post the statistics for ND mortality from law enforcement agencies where the Glock is issued? I'm sure you wouldn't back a claim like Glocks equal more injuries and deaths without actually researching it right?

[Deimos887]

^ it isn't FUD it's realistic. LEO =/= lowest common denominator US service member.

Most members here think cops don't get enough training with their sidearms, I think you'd be rather surprised how much little most military members get handguns.

Btw I posted along the same lines several posts before his

[.45 ACP]

Like I said, if you're so sure Glocks are inherently more dangerous, please post statistics that show just how dangerous Glocks have been for law enforcement agencies since literally hundreds of thousands of Glock 19s, 17s, and 22s are floating around in local PD armories.

If what you're saying isn't ridiculous FUD, should be easy to show the pile of Bodies created by Glock negligent discharges.

[Deimos887]

This has nothing to do with law enforcement, and I would agree with you, IF your average soldier, sailor and airman (USMC I'm told has recently significantly improved handgun training standards for all Marines), had as much training as even a "non-gunner" law enforcement officer.

Even most infantrymen are not widely issued handguns, let alone have the same training under their belt as an average civilian LEO (with a sidearm).

Please explain to me how police ND rates is relevant to Glocks being general issue to service members?

What it really comes down to is, handguns play a very limited role in combat, most are issued to support personnel (with extremely limited firearms training to begin with, most of that on an M16/M4), officers and infantry in limited circumstances (such as a machine-gunner)... That I know of (excluding USMC) only MP's, Master-at-Arms, Security Forces and many Coasties (as their mission is more directly related to law enforcement than it is marshal) have anywhere near the experience a civilian LEO has with a handgun.

[ifilef]

He doesn't have to show statistics, it is simply common sense and experience. The Glock is just not as safe a handgun as the Beretta. End of story! Put the Glock unchanged in the hands of the military youngsters and you'll see, but it AIN'T gonna happen because the military folks will not permit it unchanged.

End of story! There are numerous safety mechanisms to prevent mishaps through mishandling with the Beretta. Not so with the stupid Glock!!!

The Beretta is simply more forgiving than a Glock. Just like a Piper Cub is more 'forgiving' than a 'North American Mustang'. I know it seems like a reverse analogy, and it is!

[.45 ACP]

FUD spreaders are all the same and sound the same. "We don't have to provide proof of our FUD CLAIMS, just trust us, end of story."

[.45 ACP]

There are numerous safety mechanisms to prevent mishaps through mishandling with the Beretta. Not so with the stupid Glock!!!

So you've never actually handled or owned a Glock? I mean thats what you're basically admitting when you say ridiculous things like the above quote.

[ifilef]

No, I owned a Glock 17 once. Ugly handgun and I was a relative noobie 28 or so years ago. At that time, I felt uncomfortable owning it and sold it. The only thing I regret in selling it was that the gun had 17-rd legal magazines at the time.

I trust common sense and experience, my misinformed friend! Even the 100 year old 1911 has a safety! Mr. .45acp, which is safer handgun- a 1911 with its thumb and grip safeties, or a Glock 21, huh? Duh. Kindly answer my query, Mr. .45acp! Your reasoning process must include forseeable mishandling/misuse of a firearm, which happens all the time.

Scroll down to read Philip Roza's and Gene Hinder's comments and look at the article and video:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/two-minute-safety-reminder-glock-safe-action-pistols/

I am going to look for technical and/or statistical analysis, if in existence, of which is safer handgun in lieu of plain old common sense.

[Nacho_Eater]

I'm a former Army Aviation soldier.

I say screw the new handgun, the Army needs to truly modernize its fleet of helos and fixed wing aircraft. Spend the money there.

Heck, I'd wish Congress would take the initiative and order the Air Force to hand over its A-10 fleet to the Army where it belongs!

[.45 ACP]

I trust common sense and experience, my misinformed friend!

Translated: "I can't actually find data or studies that back my ridiculous FUD spreading so I'll just say it's common sense and experience."

[.45 ACP]

Even the 100 year old 1911 has a safety! Mr. .45acp, which is safer handgun- a 1911 with its thumb and grip safeties, or a Glock 21, huh? Duh

No gun is safe when it's mishandled, whether it be a Glock, Beretta, 1911, Walther or HK. Relying on mechanical safeties (of which the Glock actually has contrary to your FUD claims) is what lazy people do who shouldn't have a live weapon anyway.

I feel just as safe with any of my Glocks as I do with my Wilson CQB. Your argument that the Glock is somehow less safe because it does not have a thumb safety is ridiculous FUD. I hope you aren't responsible for teaching other people how to be safe around firearms.

Btw, MARSOC has been dumping their 1911s and test fielding Glocks and guess what, they aren't dying left and right from negligent discharge. Crazy right ?