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  • WallaceTRP
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 22

    1911 Recoil spring question

    I own a Springfield Loaded A-1 with a two piece full length guide rod. I just received my Wilson Combat flat wire recoil kit (flat wire recoil spring, guide rod and plastic shock buffer). I took it to the range after installing the kit and ran it without the plastic shock buffer. It didn't seem to hamper the pistols performance. My question is will this harm my pistol long term? Second I noticed it was almost as if I could feel the pistol slapping back into battery after each shot. I can't tell if this is bad or good being as I'm a newbie to the 1911 platform.
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    tophatjones
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 1539

    Welcome to Calguns.

    Well, the standard 1911 doesn't need a recoil buffer. I'm unfamiliar with the Wilson kit though, maybe you should ask them. What do you mean by "slapping back into battery after each shot"?

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    • #3
      stormvet
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2010
      • 12681

      The shock buff is not mandatory, you can run with it or without.
      I have one installed on my TRP, have not tried it yet. But also installed one on my 4" Kimber Super Carry Pro HD, it runs great with it. The main reason I went with it on the Kimber is that it allows me to disasemble the gun without a tool.
      The flat wire does have a different feel then a round wire, at first it may seem abrasive or scratchy(I know, but hard to explane) but that seems to be gone know after I've fired a few hundred rounds with it.
      I bought the full size kit, just to give it a go and see what it's like. It does not have as many advantages as the 4" kit.
      Im a warmonger baby, I got blood in my eyes and I'm looking at you.

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      • #4
        JTROKS
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2007
        • 13093

        Did you order the kit for 5"/Government model?

        What is the weight of the recoil spring?

        Am I correc by assuming you are shooting full power factory loads?
        The wise man said just find your place
        In the eye of the storm
        Seek the roses along the way
        Just beware of the thorns...
        K. Meine

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        • #5
          Bill Steele
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2010
          • 5028

          My TRP came with a shock buff (not SOP, I think, from Springfield). It doesn't hamper function at all as I literally have never had a stoppage of any kind from the first shot I took. This is from +P 230gr HST's to light target 200gr LSWC's. Having said that, when it starts cracking, I probably won't replace it as every 1911 I have ever owned prior never needed one.

          On the flat spring, I have no experience as I have only run them on my Glocks. I probably have a lifetime supply of various round wire 1911's recoil springs, so I may never get a chance to try a flat spring, before I run out of time...
          When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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          • #6
            WallaceTRP
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2015
            • 22

            @stormvet oh ok that's good to know. It doesn't feel bad just different. @Jtroks I ordered the 5in govt kit and I'm shooting 230gr hardball

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            • #7
              WallaceTRP
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2015
              • 22

              Originally posted by Bill Steele
              My TRP came with a shock buff (not SOP, I think, from Springfield). It doesn't hamper function at all as I literally have never had a stoppage of any kind from the first shot I took. This is from +P 230gr HST's to light target 200gr LSWC's. Having said that, when it starts cracking, I probably won't replace it as every 1911 I have ever owned prior never needed one.

              On the flat spring, I have no experience as I have only run them on my Glocks. I probably have a lifetime supply of various round wire 1911's recoil springs, so I may never get a chance to try a flat spring, before I run out of time...
              I just ordered the TRP operator 3/4in rail not sure if that has some kind of shok buffer in the guide rod

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              • #8
                WallaceTRP
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 22

                Originally posted by tophatjones
                Welcome to Calguns.

                Well, the standard 1911 doesn't need a recoil buffer. I'm unfamiliar with the Wilson kit though, maybe you should ask them. What do you mean by "slapping back into battery after each shot"?
                Hard to explain, but its almost as if the slide is coming forward with more energy now

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                • #9
                  WallaceTRP
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 22

                  Originally posted by JTROKS
                  Did you order the kit for 5"/Government model?

                  What is the weight of the recoil spring?

                  Am I correc by assuming you are shooting full power factory loads?
                  17lb recoil spring

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                  • #10
                    Bill Steele
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 5028

                    Originally posted by WallaceTRP
                    I just ordered the TRP operator 3/4in rail not sure if that has some kind of shok buffer in the guide rod
                    Probably won't have a buff, I have never heard of anyone else having one.

                    You are really going to love that gun, very jealous here. Many complain about the checkering on the front strap, you will definitely feel it, but I really like it. It gives me a great sense of security that if I find myself in a spot with my palms sweating big time, the gun is still going to be planted in my grip.

                    Have fun.
                    When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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                    • #11
                      tophatjones
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1539

                      Originally posted by WallaceTRP
                      Hard to explain, but its almost as if the slide is coming forward with more energy now
                      Oh I see. Could be that your new spring is rated at a higher weight. Typical recoil springs are 16 lbs, and a lot of modern 1911s come with 18 lb springs. Could also be that your old spring was worn out. In either case, you're fine.

                      If you want to, every few thousand rounds, inspect the barrel feet (the two protrutions under the barrel, on either side of the barrel link) for signs of battering. Also look at the corresponding area of the slide stop pin for wear.

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                      • #12
                        WallaceTRP
                        Junior Member
                        • Mar 2015
                        • 22

                        Originally posted by Bill Steele
                        Probably won't have a buff, I have never heard of anyone else having one.

                        You are really going to love that gun, very jealous here. Many complain about the checkering on the front strap, you will definitely feel it, but I really like it. It gives me a great sense of security that if I find myself in a spot with my palms sweating big time, the gun is still going to be planted in my grip.

                        Have fun.
                        I can't wait. She is in jail as of now.

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                        • #13
                          WallaceTRP
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 22

                          Originally posted by tophatjones
                          Oh I see. Could be that your new spring is rated at a higher weight. Typical recoil springs are 16 lbs, and a lot of modern 1911s come with 18 lb springs. Could also be that your old spring was worn out. In either case, you're fine.

                          If you want to, every few thousand rounds, inspect the barrel feet (the two protrutions under the barrel, on either side of the barrel link) for signs of battering. Also look at the corresponding area of the slide stop pin for wear.
                          That is really helpful. I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks [emoji106]

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                          • #14
                            stormvet
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 12681

                            Originally posted by WallaceTRP
                            @stormvet oh ok that's good to know. It doesn't feel bad just different. @Jtroks I ordered the 5in govt kit and I'm shooting 230gr hardball
                            The flat wire does have a different feel then round wire, at first it may not seem as smooth but after using it for a while you don't notice it or it smooths out.
                            The science behind it seems solid, the jury is still out on the full size gun.
                            But I am sold on it for my 4" 1911s.
                            Im a warmonger baby, I got blood in my eyes and I'm looking at you.

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                            • #15
                              WallaceTRP
                              Junior Member
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 22

                              Well it seems the issue is the new guide rod doesn't sit flush below is the original guide rod. The fit is much better. thanks for all the help.

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