Continuing Thread/Challenge, Airgun vs .22 firearms at 50 yards....

[ERdept]

I challenge any .22 firearm owner to beat my group at 50 yds.



3 shot groups, shot together/side by side on the same trip and posted results here.


Im confident and airgun will be defeat .22, or at least be equal to accuracy of the best. Then, if equal, we'll move the distance to 100 yards.

[Norcal_GIT_r]

I don't know what airgun you're shooting but my 1022 will outgroup at 50 yards any air rifle I've ever owned including my discovery .22
I've only seen a handful shooters with airguns that can outshoot a 10-22 and the 10-22 isn't the most accurate 22 out there.

[autoduel]

Wind drift is the killer. Lots of good air guns that will group 1/2" at 50. I haven't gotten into benching and ammo testing with a rimfire, but my kidd barrelled 10/22 would probably group the same.

[Hot Brass]

Was at work telling a guy about one of my air guns when I was told that bb guns were just little boy toys by another co-worker. I know he has a 10/22 and I asked him if he wanted to shoot for groups? He said I had a bb gun, and they shoot like crap. When I asked if he wanted to shoot a 5 shot group at 40 yards for paychecks, his 10/22 vs my bb gun he changed his tune.

[acourvil]

A high quality airgun can shoot groups as well as a .22 @ 50 yards. At 100 yards, it gets a lot harder, but with a good shooter it can be done. Wind does affect the pellets more.

10 shot group @50yds with Matador .22:



5 shot group @ 50yds with Matador .30:



(this isn't that great a group, but this was shots 6-10 from the gun right after I received it. The shots below covered with pasters were 3-5 from initial sighting in)

For size reference, these are both 6" targets on top of 8" targets.

That's pretty much the same as I can do with my .22lr. The guns all shoot differently, so the technique is a little different, so that has more effect on the groups than the inherent accuracy of any of them.

[ERdept]

It's a LOT harder with an air gun, because they are so dependent upon first getting THE pellet that your gun likes.

The skirts are of varying diameter, and the guns are hold sensitive, and pellets move a lot slower, to more factors to make innacurate.


My point it that shooting an air gun well is good training for "powder burners", and cheaper too.


Will post groups soon.

[Jimmybacon43]

Is there a dramatic difference between .177 accuracy and .22 pellet accuracy?

Don't mean to hijack the thread, just thought I'd throw that question in there.

I would participate in the contest but there's no such thing as .22lr ammo anymore.

[ERdept]

Is there a dramatic difference between .177 accuracy and .22 pellet accuracy?

Don't mean to hijack the thread, just thought I'd throw that question in there.

I would participate in the contest but there's no such thing as .22lr ammo anymore.

Personally I don't think so, but in Airgun Field Targets, most if not all prefer the .177 because one one thing, pellet selection and the diameter.


Some targets are just .25 inches across, and the .22 off center won't be enough knock down the target. A off shot, but still hitting the center with a .177 will still enter the target hole and not be caught by the edge enough to knock down the target.

The .177 allow for more margin of error and the Field Target guys are Rabid when it comes to their attention to detail, about pellet sorting, weighting and calipering, and testing.

Competitive regulators are top notch and allow precise metering of air for each shot.

[acourvil]

There's a power limit, too (20 fpe. i think), which means larger calibers have to drop fps, so that pushes people towards .177 in competitions

I don't think there is anything that makes larger calibers more (or less) accurate, except the larger, heavier pellets generally have a higher BC, which makes wind a drop easier at longer distances.

[Revoman]

A friend has a Daystate, another has an Air Arms, both from across the pond in Jolly Ol'. Both are extremely well put together and can shoot sub .5" groups at 50 yards. Both are 22 caliber. These rifles out of the box are definitely shooters, but the edge actually goes to the Air Arms rifle. That thing is nowhere near pellet sensitive and stacks em consistently.
Myself, I shoot an AirForce Condor 25 caliber. This one is pellet sensitive and has to be worked a little to get even close the above rifles, but it can be done.
The velocities are just short of a powder burner 22 and have great knock down power for game.
You're correct tho, it is different shooting an air rifle vs a powder burner, much more concise.
The heavier the pellet, the better is stays on track....especially in wind. But really, that's part of the fun knocking down a pigeon or crow at close to 100 yards with the wind and drop factors. Much more interesting.

[rubutfb]

Not the tiniest of ammunition, but the all time favorite for small game, the rim fire .22 Long Rifle (LR) has been round for ever. (Well since 1887).

22lrA good round developing about 100 ft.lb (at the muzzle) worth of “smack down” with the familiar 40 grain soft lead bullet.

Compared to what I use for hunting which is a simple cheap little air gun pellet weighing in at only 21 grains and through my UK legal Air Rifle it develops just 11.7 Ft.lbs