non lethal weapons

[Bunnysloper]

I have a Taser Pulse in the car.

I carry a knife (with built-in glass breaker tip and seatbelt cutter) and pepper spray on person.


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[Bunnysloper]

Well, a knife is a deadly weapon if used to defend yourself. Knife would be a backup weapon in that case. If you carry a gun, no point in choosing a knife over the gun unless you have some really specific, highly unlikely scenario.

I carry oc sometimes. It is more likely to be used than a gun statistically.

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Exactly! I don?t know why anyone would consider a knife a ?non-lethal?.

For me, my knife is for when someone is going for my gun or if something happened to my gun. That?s why I choose one with a glass breaking tip, I can use the tip as a sharp point and create time for me to deploy the blade. A fixed blade is better but I don?t want to be walking around with a knife showing as it?s against the law to conceal a fixed blade knife.


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[sirvimmy]

Exactly! I don?t know why anyone would consider a knife a ?non-lethal?.

For me, my knife is for when someone is going for my gun or if something happened to my gun. That?s why I choose one with a glass breaking tip, I can use the tip as a sharp point and create time for me to deploy the blade. A fixed blade is better but I don?t want to be walking around with a knife showing as it?s against the law to conceal a fixed blade knife.


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Yeah. A knife could be a valuable back up close quarters weapon when fighting to make space to deploy your gun, or while fighting for retention of your gun.

The most useful way I could see a knife being used for a ccw holder is as an off hand weapon. One where you use it to make space in a clinch. But, like you said, a fixed blade would be better, and we can't carry those concealed, so a kubaton/point weapon like you said could make sense.

Ideally, I'd want a fixed punch dagger near the 11oclock location.

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[Ohbrian]

I always have pepper spray with me in addition to my CCW. Gives me options.

[BigPimping]

Pepper Gel and my CCW. I feel prepared.

[flyer898]

Be mindful of the blade length limitations imposed by many municipalities when carrying a knife and container size limitations when carrying pepper spray. Committing crimes while unaware is a real PITA.

[Messha]

Pepper Gel and my CCW. I feel prepared.

I never heard of pepper gel until now. Is it better than pepper spray? I guess I can just look it up too lol.

[Mute]

I never heard of pepper gel until now. Is it better than pepper spray? I guess I can just look it up too lol.

Gel is less likely to blow back or splatter on you on windy days. If you can get pepper spray in gel form I'd say that it is preferrable.

[BigPimping]

It?s also easier to control the spray of the pepper gel.

[L-2]

Posts 23 & 24,
What brands and models, and where to buy the preferred OC sprays, please?

[BillSmith]

Question,

Does a multi-tool with a lockable blade run afoul of the prohibited on school grounds list?

Knives that are prohibited on these school premises are:
Dirks and daggers
Knives with blades longer than 2 ?”
Folding knives with locking blades
Ice picks
Razors with unguarded blades
Razor blades or box cutters

[edgerly779]

If you have enough training you are the non lethal alternative.

[Mute]

Posts 23 & 24,
What brands and models, and where to buy the preferred OC sprays, please?

I use and sell Reflex Protect. However, it is not OC:

https://www.reflexprotecttactical.com/

For OC, I usually use Sabre.

[Quiet]

Question,
Does a multi-tool with a lockable blade run afoul of the prohibited on school grounds list?

If it has a blade length of 2.5" or greater, then yes it is prohibited.
If it has a blade length of less than 2.5", then no it is not prohbiited.


CA laws prohibits the possession of any bladed instrument that has a blade length of 2.5" or greater on K-12 school property [PC 626.10(a)] and on college/university property [PC 626.10(b)]
^Exemptions to this for when the possessor has permission from the school/college authority [PC 626.10(c)], when the possessor needs it for work on school/college property [PC 626.10(d)], and when the possessor needs it for food prep while on school/college property [PC 626.10(e)]



Penal Code 626.10
(a)(1) Any person, except a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in this state, a person summoned by any officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while the person is actually engaged in assisting any officer, or a member of the military forces of this state or the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick, knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches, folding knife with a blade that locks into place, razor with an unguarded blade, taser, or stun gun, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 244.5, any instrument that expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB or a pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring action, or any spot marker gun, upon the grounds of, or within, any public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
(2) Any person, except a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in this state, a person summoned by any officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while the person is actually engaged in assisting any officer, or a member of the military forces of this state or the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, who brings or possesses a razor blade or a box cutter upon the grounds of, or within, any public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
(b) Any person, except a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in this state, a person summoned by any officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while the person is actually engaged in assisting any officer, or a member of the military forces of this state or the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick, or knife having a fixed blade longer than 21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university, the University of California, the California State University, or the California Community Colleges is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings or possesses a knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches, a razor with an unguarded blade, a razor blade, or a box cutter upon the grounds of, or within, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or any private university, state university, or community college at the direction of a faculty member of the private university, state university, or community college, or a certificated or classified employee of the school for use in a private university, state university, community college, or school-sponsored activity or class.
(d) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings or possesses an ice pick, a knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches, a razor with an unguarded blade, a razor blade, or a box cutter upon the grounds of, or within, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or any private university, state university, or community college for a lawful purpose within the scope of the person?s employment.
(e) Subdivision (b) does not apply to any person who brings or possesses an ice pick or a knife having a fixed blade longer than 21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university, state university, or community college for lawful use in or around a residence or residential facility located upon those grounds or for lawful use in food preparation or consumption.

[Ammunition1]

Non Lethal Options

Non lethal is an excellent alternative when looking to defend yourself. Not every person is comfortable with causing great bodily harm to another person, but there is an instinctual feeling of self-preservation.

We understand this feeling and as such, we've chosen to carry multiple Byrna products in our store. Byrna is a company that makes products for one to protect themselves in whichever way they see fit.

We carry:

Byrna Kinetic Launcher - A non-lethal projectile launcher. This C02 powered pistol is the ultimate alternative to a firearm. No permit need to purchase or to carry. Multiple options of projectiles to choose from; eco-kinetic target/training rounds, kinetic defense rounds for personal defense, pepper ball rounds made to act like pepper spray, and tear gas projectiles available as well. Kits available at different power thresholds, multiple accessories available, all at different price points. Available in store.

Less Lethal Kinetic 12G - A primer only kinetic slug-like kinetic projectile inside of a 12 gauge shotgun shell. Without gunpowder this is 16 times quieter making it safe to fire without ear protection with the added benefit of no perceived recoil. Available in store and online.

Bad Guy Repellent - A mix of pepper spray and tear gas, 5.4M Scoville rating, ultraviolet chemicals, and available in a large size with a carry clip or a smaller two pack, both available at the same price. Available in store.

Banshee - A personal alarm keychain. Clip onto your clothing, backpack, purse, belt, where you may need it. Emits a loud high pitched alarm to bring attention to those around and ward off a would-be attacker. A bright LED strobe light visible at distance as well as rapid and bright enough to disorient said attacker. Available in store.