Any thoughts on sneaky Petes holster?

[cpl_dan]

Was thinking of getting one...

[CSACANNONEER]

I know they are slow to draw from. At least, that's the case with every one I've seen use one to qualify for their CA LTC with. Here are a couple threads I started on the subject. It will come down to your level of comfort. Personally, I wouldn't want to get arrested for illegally open carrying a firearm that I can legally conceal carry and, I wouldn't put it past SF's or LA's DA to bring charges against someone using a SP. Do you want to be the test case?


BTW, I've asked SP about CA law several times and they REFUSE to answer the question about legality in CA when presented with the text of the PC.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1100381

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1101467

[FresnoRob]

I agree with what CSACANNONEER posted. In addition anyone with half a brain maybe (40%) of the people will know what’s in it. I don’t want to advertise I’m carrying.

[grantar2]

They are slow to draw and in most CCW instances you aren't going to get advanced notice. I disagree that most people will know what they are, remember there are about 90K CCW in a state of 36 million, not like they are featured on TV or in movies much either. Fact is you can aways pass it off as medical, it's a monitor. The public at large and even professionals are surprisingly clueless.

Depending on the kind of chair you sit it, car sea bolsters you have and where you carry your cell phone normally they can be uncomfortable. Worst is if you happen to like 3 O'clock and want to reach in your pocket (gun size dependent).

On the other hand they are better than not carrying or carrying off body.

[rice_man]

I got one to have as an option. I often carry my phone on a belt case so I thought that this would not be too far off. It's a little larger than a phone case (Samsung S9) but I really don't think it would raise any suspicion unless you are really looking for it. This one is for a sig P238

[socal m1 shooter]

They are slow to draw and in most CCW instances you aren't going to get advanced notice. I disagree that most people will know what they are, remember there are about 90K CCW in a state of 36 million, not like they are featured on TV or in movies much either. Fact is you can aways pass it off as medical, it's a monitor. The public at large and even professionals are surprisingly clueless.[...]

I have heard someone at Artemis deride these in two different runs of the CCW class, and he has one as a prop that he passes around in the class as he does so. I assume this is a standard element of his presentation. IIRC, he mentions no pros, and the cons were no retention, almost as obvious as using a fanny pack, and maybe more. Poor value?

Of course, holsters are highly personal (just like bicycle saddles) and he also mentions how he is uncomfortable with appendix carry, so take it for what it is worth.

I have no personal experience with one so I can't add more than that.

[Notpc]

I put an Apple logo on mine (urban camouflage). Ended up never using it for my LCR. My 26 fits in it as well, but I feel it is just to conspicuous. It ended up in the "drawer".

[grantar2]

I have heard someone at Artemis deride these in two different runs of the CCW class, and he has one as a prop that he passes around in the class as he does so. I assume this is a standard element of his presentation. IIRC, he mentions no pros, and the cons were no retention, almost as obvious as using a fanny pack, and maybe more. Poor value?

Of course, holsters are highly personal (just like bicycle saddles) and he also mentions how he is uncomfortable with appendix carry, so take it for what it is worth.

I have no personal experience with one so I can't add more than that.

Each person has their opinion, but like the comments on fanny packs they are more lore than reality. Now certainly the 5.11 style can trigger questions, if the person is a gun person and has a bent towards CCW. Having done a butt-load of gun shows I can tell you how many gun owners are CCW clueless. I pick on the fanny pack comment because it's easier to dispel than the Sneaky Pete. Every amusement park, t-shirt shop and gift store sells fanny packs. As the crew the bought them in the 80's when they were momentarily hip, ages they are returning to them. I go back to there are thousands sold in California every year, the majority to people who would never consider carrying a gun. the average CCW won't carry them, so the majority of those with a fanny pack have no gun. However for some it's is the best way to carry, arthritis, shoulder injury, wheel chair bound, tradesmen who carry their tools, laser levels, thermometers, calculators etc find them useful and the fact that they are using them for tools wallet etc. mean they become part of the scenery. The issue is practice, not leaving it behind, etc.

by the way there are 350M + people in America, less than 12M carry. Is a Sneaky Pete the best way to carry no chance, but it's better than not carrying. The issue is practice and knowing what it won't do. Can you draw seated in your car, can you draw prone, well running, kneeling, well fighting off an attacker grappling, most people don't practice and don't know regardless of carry type.

Bill Murphy dead panned in my first CCW class that you should carry a CCW badge and gave an example of why, I think he was joking but don' t know. I respect him a great deal, would I carry a badge no, but that is my opinion.