Off body carry

[Capybara]

I just added my SA 1911-A1 Loaded and my G17 to my LTC renewal last week. Mostly for off body carry, although I just acquired an Alien Gear CT3 for each. I do go backpacking quite a bit where it's not practical to carry at my waist, the waist strap from the backpack would preclude me ever being able to draw. Not that carrying in the backpack is much better, I have not yet figured that one out, how to CCW effectively while backpacking. I also carry a backpack and or laptop bag for work quite often, I may carry in those here and there as a backup pistol. But it does make me nervous, carrying off body. I have to watch my backpack or laptop case like a hawk or lock them up, which sort of defeats the purpose of off body carry. I agree, I will always carry on my body unless I just cannot because of clothing or if I am bending, lifting and carrying a lot of gear or a camera a lot where my CCW on body is just in the way. Also handy for transport to have the gun at hand or a backup nearby.

[floogy]

Because of the application process, SBSD sent an employment verification letter to my employer.
So, they know I have applied for a CA LTC permit.
My boss also advised me, after he received the letter and signed off on it, that I am not suppose to carry while working.

That's sketchy. Doesn't seem like it should be any of their business unless you wanted/needed to carry at work. As unpopular as guns are around here, having a letter sent to an employer is not something I'd want. My IA only needed a sign off if I were carrying at work. I wasn't going to be, so I just told them I already knew there was a policy against it. Just said "shall not carry for work". Which is odd, because it could be interpreted that I could carry at work, but not forwork.

My immediate supervisor is cool and knows I have a permit. I can't imagine HR or others in the chain would be amused, even if I wasn't going to ever carry at work. It's not something I'd want anyone besides a few like minded co workers to know about. I can see it being totally blown out of proportion. Policies being revised, meetings, signs posted, who knows.

I think if you are able to get a CCW and have a company letterhead stating that you may carry at work, it won't be restricted. But policies for CCW vary so much between counties it's almost impossible to know. It even varies from permit to permit sometimes. I was told by someone at my IA that "they keep the rules vague for a reason". We all know that, but it was just a confirmation to hear it outright.

[Quiet]

That's sketchy. Doesn't seem like it should be any of their business unless you wanted/needed to carry at work. As unpopular as guns are around here, having a letter sent to an employer is not something I'd want. My IA only needed a sign off if I were carrying at work. I wasn't going to be, so I just told them I already knew there was a policy against it. Just said "shall not carry for work". Which is odd, because it could be interpreted that I could carry at work, but not forwork.

SBSD has always sent an "employment verification" letter to an applicant's employer as part of the applicant's background check.
It helps with them determine if the applicant is a person of "good moral character" as required by CA law. [PC 26150(a)(1)])

[floogy]

SBSD has always sent an "employment verification" letter to an applicant's employer as part of the applicant's background check.
It helps with them determine if the applicant is a person of "good moral character" as required by CA law. [PC 26150(a)(1)])

That's ridiculous. What a blatant disregard for privacy. I could see an anti boss using it to retaliate against an employee they didn't care for. At least it seems yours was professional about it.

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[Jason25]

Almost created another thread, then found this one. I almost never carry off body but every once in a while I find myself unable to wear my edc holster.

Came across a youtube vid from LLOD and mirrored his setup with an Oakley sling pack. Took a bit of trial/error getting a spare IWB holster to work, but now nice and secure.






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[awiner]

Almost created another thread, then found this one. I almost never carry off body but every once in a while I find myself unable to wear my edc holster.

Came across a youtube vid from LLOD and mirrored his setup with an Oakley sling pack. Took a bit of trial/error getting a spare IWB holster to work, but now nice and secure.

Looks good. Can you link the video / specifics of what you used to accomplish your setup ?

[Jason25]

Looks good. Can you link the video / specifics of what you used to accomplish your setup ?

https://youtu.be/F6HyeSU9vtY

I used a spare IWB holster (trex raptor) and some velcro to secure the holster. Spare mag carrier fit on the supplied MOLLE attachment strip. I'm diggin it for what it is, gives me an option when not able to carry on body. I think I'm going to add my G17 to my permit and make it my go to off body pistol.

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[grantar2]

Concealing a full frame 1911 is like driving a 1962 Cadillac through the streets of Rome and then trying to find a parking space.

Not at all, help clients do it all the time. Very common for people who carry a P238, LCP or other small compact on body to carry a larger heavier caliber off body.

[grantar2]

I'm not all saying it's impossible, I'm just saying a full size frame wouldn't be my first choice to try and conceal. I'm not exactly a model of fitness so it would be even harder for me.

To answer the OP, I don't think I would ever consider an off-body carry. I'd have to find a way to keep it on me at all times.

There are a number of groups that carry primary and back up weapons off body. We carry special purses for LEO's. If your wearing a dress a cross body purse with a vertical presentation can be very effective undercover, or off duty. For financial planners a concealed briefcase might be more accessible, something you could have your hand on when gripping your IWB would escalate a situation (actually had this case happen-precious metal trading). Lot of different ways and reasons. Not right for most, but a consideration.

[grantar2]

Looks good. Can you link the video / specifics of what you used to accomplish your setup ?

It's actually easy to do. If you add a holster partner that holster in the backpack can easily be transitioned to the IWB position. There are purse conversion panels that allow you to do that to almost any bag.

[awiner]

Thanks guys. I have a good plan how to utilize my sling pack now.

[grantar2]

Thanks guys. I have a good plan how to utilize my sling pack now.

As you plan to use your sling pack a couple of key considerations. Ideally the zipper design will allow you to use a lock on it when leaving it unattended. This is key if for any reason your in a situation with Kid's (this included teens) people with dementia or Alzheimer. Each of these groups tend to get into things they shouldn't and you can fill a book with the accounts of people who have gotten into someones stuff gotten the gun and discharged it, usually with really bad outcomes.

The last thing is hopefully you carry the sling bag regularly. Women learn from a young age to keep there purses with them, they don't often forget them places, unfortunately not true of men, and anyone who has worked in retail or foods can tell you how many get left behind regularly.

Be safe, and do lots of dry fire practice in realistic scenarios.

[awiner]

The last thing is hopefully you carry the sling bag regularly. Women learn from a young age to keep there purses with them, they don't often forget them places, unfortunately not true of men, and anyone who has worked in retail or foods can tell you how many get left behind regularly.

[grantar2]

Very cool, stay safe.

[Packy14]

We spend most of our time concentrating on methods of on body carry, which as most of us know, is the best and most successful way to assure we have a weapon when needed.

Most ascribe off body carry to women, usually in gun purses. The fact is there are a lot of professionals that carry off body, more often for backup guns or ammunition than primary guns, but there are times when even the primary weapon is concealed in an off body system.

I just thought I would stir the water. How many carry that large frame gun that you first had on your permit say your 5" 1911, or Sig 226 with rail mounted accessories, as a back up in a briefcase, or backpack pack, concealed carry jacket. How many carry 3,4,5 spare mags? Tactical medical kit? It's all hard to do on body, but not off body.

For the ladies there are purses, we even have a new line of locking purses from a well know fashion house, and we have leather top access, side access locking purses from another manufacture. Women have options beyond the purse.

Interestingly off body is more likely to be used by professionals than civilians, as noted it's often not the primary weapon, however for security inspection reasons there are advantages to off body.

How many of you have an off body system. Jacket, backpack, sling bag, fanny pack, folio, purse, car holster, bed holster?

backpack dedicated pocket with holster at gym... no way to carry on body and workout and stay concealed.