Deeper conceal method for 9MM Shield.

[TurboS600]

I agree with Doheny. There are times and places where the LCP is in order for LTC. It is also great as a BUG. It should not be your go-to, every day carry though.

I carry the Shield .40 in the Smartcarry. It is, of course, a slower draw than carrying on the waist band somewhere. It is necessary to practice the draw often to get the feel of finding the gun in that type of deep concealment (see Sapper's post).

If you need deep concealment the Smartcarry just can't be beat. But I don't think the OPs situation really calls for concealment that is that deep. You would be well served, sir, to visit grantar's shop since you are in OC. He can't be too far away and getting good advice on a holster is a premium.

[Sapperforward]

6 foot 220
I wear plain single color Hanes tee shirts and jeans most days. I carry my Shield at 3 o'clock IWB. No printing issues at all. Its the same way I used to carry my Beretta 84 back in the day when I lived in Tennessee. If the shirt is a little tight I toss on a light flannel or an unzipped hoodie.

[grantar2]

Usually I give this discussion during a fitting.

There are sever tactical risk to wearing a weapon in the small of the back, but functionally from a tailors perspective, the shirt, all shirts, be they loose fitting or form fitting drop straight down from the shoulder. You may have a paunch in the front and love handles on the side, but the back is going to be largely flat. This makes it way harder to hide the gun. Small of the back works with a jacket, much better than a cover shirt. (it still tactically a very bad idea).
When you get up or sit down, the shirt can shelf on the guns grip, even if the shirt is long enough to not expose the gun itself. If the gun is exposed getting out of the car, up from a seat in an office or restaurant you can't see it, but others can. The more experienced you become carrying, the less you will notice if the visual stealth of the weapon is compromised. This is because the weapon becomes common, comfortable, a part of you, or it should. That is when your exposure risk goes up. Sort of like plumbers crack.

With children, it is far harder for you to see, or know if the child sees the gun or grabs the gun. This goes for bad guys as well. (small of the back also makes it far easier for me to attack you, and to take your gun from you.)

You cannot shoot from retention from the small of the back.

Look at yourself in the mirror. The designer of your shirt (unless it's euro cut and based on the info you provided it's not) the area at your three and nine have the most drape. This is because the body rotates, bends, expands here. This makes either the perfect place for most people who are not excessively obese to carry a gun. The FBI 15% cant besides being the natural position when engaged in martial activity, also allows the grip of the gun to be best hidden by the torso. The grip flows up from the hip to the underarm essentially.

The hang of the arm along the side of the body visually detracts the eye from the waistline, unless the permit holder his obsessed with checking his gun as newbies often are. Looking in the mirror you can't see your back easily, you can see your side. The body pivots so the gun is not uncomfortable sitting. In fighting you naturally avoid laying on your strong side arm. You can shoot from retention here when engaged close range.

Appendix is a strong carry but requires a relatively fit body style. This is a spot were belly bands really come into their own. Not a carry method for everyone.

Hope this helps. If you look at how you carry from a tailors perspective you understand why hiding the gun in back is tough. As a father, I would be concerned over some very real risks with this location.

If the child is a toddler, and you hip carry him, there are other discussions that should really happen, including additional retention which is something I don't generally recommend for non LEOs but may make sense for you.

[roostersgt]

I CC a Shield 9MM in a JM Custom Kydex IWB. I usually don't have much trouble with reveal unless I am bending forward and my shirt snags on the gun.

If by myself, I can manage to fix my shirt when getting up from a seated position - or I squat instead of bend over.

Problem is I have two little kids that might necessitate an action where I inadvertently show my CCW.

Any suggestions on a deeper conceal than an IWB for a Shield that still be relatively quick on the draw when needed?

Thanks

Other than an LCP in the standard CCW config, a stronger more viscous lube?

[Cokebottle]

Other than an LCP in the standard CCW config, a stronger more viscous lube?

Like.....

Frog-lube?

[GregsCCW]

Check out the urban carry holster

[Best sale]

Don't wear your gun behind you.

You have no control over the weapon, and if you end up on your *** you have 200 lbs of you on top of your gun, maybe even a thug on you as well; good luck trying to draw.

^^^^^

[njineermike]

Fantastic thread. I'm looking for something for my PX4, and this has given me a lot to think about I hadn't even considered. Kudos gentlemen.

[Glocker23]

Thank you for the detailed reply. It's much appreciated and will see you at your shop!

[grantar2]

Check out the urban carry holster

Only if you want to get killed. We have demo'd it and at SHOT show talked to the major trainers around the country. I have never seen this group agree to a man that this is a bad idea.

Use at your own risk. Could not find one trainer or buyer for a major gun shop in my four days at SHOT show that though this was a good idea well we were talking carry methods.

[grantar2]

Thank you for the detailed reply. It's much appreciated and will see you at your shop!

If you come in please bring your gun, and your current holster.

I will be working AM at the PGA Farmers Insurance Open in Torrey Pines and might be asked to extend Wednesday so if you can let me know what day in advance I will be sure to be at the store for you. For sure well be closed Saturday.

Please see my website, were hidden inside Unique Auto so finding us can be a little confusing.

[irx]

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Check this out before considering urban carry:

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[faris1984]

I agree with Doheny. There are times and places where the LCP is in order for LTC. It is also great as a BUG. It should not be your go-to, every day carry though.

I carry the Shield .40 in the Smartcarry. It is, of course, a slower draw than carrying on the waist band somewhere. It is necessary to practice the draw often to get the feel of finding the gun in that type of deep concealment (see Sapper's post).

If you need deep concealment the Smartcarry just can't be beat. But I don't think the OPs situation really calls for concealment that is that deep. You would be well served, sir, to visit grantar's shop since you are in OC. He can't be too far away and getting good advice on a holster is a premium.

I don't see why it should not be when you feel comfortable all the time .

[Albs]

I don't see why it should not be when you feel comfortable all the time .

How you feel is different from how effective it can be and I think that's the point they're trying to make.

Surely you'll feel much more secure with any firearm on you, but when it comes to an actual shooting, your first few shots is going to be what counts in a life or death situation.

You can argue if you practice enough, you'll be good to go, but there's no question when compared to 9s and such, it's just inferior.

[faris1984]

How you feel is different from how effective it can be and I think that's the point they're trying to make.

Surely you'll feel much more secure with any firearm on you, but when it comes to an actual shooting, your first few shots is going to be what counts in a life or death situation.

You can argue if you practice enough, you'll be good to go, but there's no question when compared to 9s and such, it's just inferior.

Believe it or not I shot the LCP more accurate than my shield for some reason.
380 is just a short 9mm and now days you can get a 380 ammo effective as 9mm .