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  • #31
    Dvrjon
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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    • Nov 2012
    • 11238

    Originally posted by fluffygunguy
    Does your credit really matter for getting a ltc?
    Only if you're making a donation to the sheriff's re-election campaign.

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    • #32
      team5150
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 508

      They look at your record

      What "record" are they looking at ? A Livescan or something else ?

      If it is a Livescan - wouldn't it be best getting one before applying so you are on the same page - so to speak ?

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      • #33
        JDW67
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 2001

        In OC, my interview was just going over my app. They already knew the answers, just wanted to make sure I wasn't lying. Interview was over in about 5-7 minutes.

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        • #34
          Hoologan
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Feb 2010
          • 1254

          Originally posted by pjsig
          Do they really take traffic violations into account for good moral character?
          Placer County does. Ask me how I know.
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          • #35
            Old_Bald_Guy
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 2901

            What kind of questions do "they" ask to determine "Good Moral Character"?

            Sacramento County asks about traffic; I'm not sure exactly what they consider to be disqualifying.
            Like granular silica through an equatorially constricted chronographic vessel, so are the circadian georotations of our metabolic persistences.

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            • #36
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30241

              SCOTUS ruling on Konigsberg v. State Bar of California, 353 U.S. 252 (1957)
              These cases, instead, appear to define "good moral character" in terms of an absence of proven conduct or acts which have been historically considered as manifestations of "moral turpitude."

              CA Bar Association...
              Good moral character is “defined as the absence of conduct imbued with elements of moral turpitude . . . [and] includes qualities of honesty, fairness, candor, trustworthiness, observance of fiduciary responsibility, respect for and obedience to the laws of the state and the nation and respect for the rights of others and for the judicial process.”

              So, basically...
              They are looking to see if you have ever committed any acts of "moral turpitude".

              The basic legal definition of a crime of moral turpitude is a crime that involves either dishonesty (including fraud), or base, vile, and/or depraved conduct that “shocks the public conscience.”

              Here are some crimes that have been considered by CA Judges to be an act of "moral turpitude":
              Assault with intent to commit murder
              Attempted lewd acts on a minor
              Arson
              Burglary
              Child abuse
              Criminal threats
              Domestic violence
              Failure to register as a sex offender
              Felon in possession of a firearm
              Felony hit and run
              Grand theft auto
              Murder
              Perjury
              Possession for sale of controlled substances
              Rape
              Receiving stolen property
              Robbery
              Trespass with the intent to injure any property or property rights, or interfere with the conduct of business
              Voluntary manslaughter
              Welfare fraud
              Last edited by Quiet; 11-14-2014, 4:18 PM.
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              "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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              • #37
                Dvrjon
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                • Nov 2012
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                Originally posted by team5150
                They look at your record

                What "record" are they looking at ? A Livescan or something else ?

                If it is a Livescan - wouldn't it be best getting one before applying so you are on the same page - so to speak ?
                If you have had formal, recorded contact with the legal system as an offender, it is in a state-wide data base. Your issuing agency will pull that record. You know what's on it because you were there when it happened.

                Oh, yea. You also may have included it on your application. After you clear that hurdle, THEN they'll send you through LiveScan.

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                • #38
                  Dvrjon
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                  • Nov 2012
                  • 11238

                  Originally posted by ARDude
                  I believe that once self defense is accepted by all agencies in Cali, some will focus on GMC to deny ccw apps. I can see GMC expanded to financial problems. Have you ever had bankruptcy, been late making a payment on a loan, ect. These things are looked at when a person applies to become a peace officer, and it can be used for denying employment.
                  No.^^^



                  Yes.^^^^

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                  • #39
                    Randy G.
                    Member
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 399

                    Originally posted by faterikcartman
                    Jury duty summons...
                    Has this really come up, or is it generally on the applications?
                    I may or may not know of someone who lost all of his/her summons over the last 30 years and never appeared. That never came up in any interviews and he/she was issued a CCW.

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                    • #40
                      Rastoff
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 750

                      Originally posted by Randy G.
                      I may or may not know of someone who lost all of his/her summons over the last 30 years and never appeared. That never came up in any interviews and he/she was issued a CCW.
                      That doesn't mean it won't come up.
                      Remember, you can post here because they died over there.

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                      • #41
                        Randy G.
                        Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 399

                        Originally posted by Rastoff
                        That doesn't mean it won't come up.
                        It does mean in this case, in OC, it didn't come up.

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                        • #42
                          Dvrjon
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                          • Nov 2012
                          • 11238

                          Originally posted by Randy G.
                          I may or may not know of someone who lost all of his/her summons over the last 30 years and never appeared. That never came up in any interviews and he/she was issued a CCW.
                          Originally posted by Rastoff
                          That doesn't mean it won't come up.
                          Jeez, really? Sitting around speculating on what may come up is not the intent here. The question is what DO they ask, not what MIGHT they ask.

                          Moreover, unless there is an error in the record, nothing will come up which should come as a surprise to an applicant.

                          They are looking at YOUR record, and You were there when these things happened!

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                          • #43
                            billrd
                            Member
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 169

                            Originally posted by Leagle8
                            They are referring to arrests and/or conviction of crimes of moral turpitude. Generally, drug abuse, possession for use, sale, shop lifting, pimping, prostitution, solicitation of a prostitute, (generally any sex crime) pandering, child porno, molestation etc. Its a very long list.
                            Would slick Willy be able to qualify? Or is what he did legal in DC or only in the WH?

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                            • #44
                              Dvrjon
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                              • Nov 2012
                              • 11238

                              Originally posted by billrd
                              Would slick Willy be able to qualify? Or is what he did legal in DC or only in the WH?
                              He is not a resident of California, so cannot apply.

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                              • #45
                                Michael Ehline

                                Originally posted by billrd
                                Would slick Willy be able to qualify? Or is what he did legal in DC or only in the WH?
                                He was disbarred. But since he is a commie democrat, I am sure he would be issued a machine gun and several million rounds of ammo.

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