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  • Gomphe
    Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 257

    A Very Valuable Lesson Learned

    Hi Everyone,

    I just want to share a learning experience with everyone in the hopes that this oversight is not repeated by anyone else; or at the very least, detected and mitigated as quickly as possible. Trust me, this incident is the last thing you need in a stressful situation; especially when you are depending on your carry weapon to save your life.

    I have a ritual in which I save up all my carry rounds that show signs of a slight bullet setback and train with them. I always believed that it is a good practice to train with the ammo in your carry weapon because you want to be familiar with a hollow point recoil and how the gun behaves to premium ammo. And, on this day, I decided to take my Springfield XD 9mm Subcompact to the range for some much needed training.

    So I placed my target at 7 yards, holstered my weapon, and steadied myself for a quick draw exercise. I took a deep breath and then snapped into my drawing routine, making sure that my movements were crisp and precise. With one clean movement, I cleared my shirt to expose my weapon with my free off-hand and drew the gun with my strong hand.

    Everything was going very well when I drew my gun to my chest and began to present my gun to the target. However, little did I know that this was all about to change. As I extended my arms and took aim, I took one last mental note of my form as I moved my finger onto the trigger. And in the final moments of truth, I confirmed my target, squeezed the trigger, and...."Click"...!!!!"

    My first thought was that it was a bad round. But I took it in stride and continued my training session as if this was a real life scenario. Quick as a I could, I manually racked the slide to clear the bad round and reengaged the target. I confirmed my target once again, squeezed the trigger, and...."Click"...!!! (What the #@$?!?!)

    By now, I conceded that I had failed in that training round and had that been a real incident, I would had most likely been dead. But my primary concern at that moment was the fact that my carry weapon had failed me. So I removed the magazine and the chambered round from the gun to begin the process of finding out why and how a relatively new Springfield XD 9mm Subcompact (with less than 1k rounds fired) would suffer such a catastrophic failure.

    As I begin to disassemble the gun, I noticed that the upper receiver was very clean with no signs of carbon fouling or dust. And why shouldn't it be? I take very good care of it and I make sure that it's cleaned with Froglube after every trip to the range. I continued my visual diagnosis of my stricken weapon for few minutes more, but I couldn't find anything out of the ordinary.

    I then looked at the two rounds and noticed that each of the casings were struck. But it wasn't struck hard enough to ignite the primer inside to discharge the round. That was the clue I needed to hopefully solve this malfunction. I took the upper receiver again and inspected the striker portion of the weapon. Upon closer inspection, I did notice that the spring and the housing was slightly damp (not a good sign since striker chambers are supposed to be bone dry).

    I disassembled the striker chamber and shoved a Qtip into the housing only to find that the entire area was gummed up with a thick carbon gel. As it turned out, my many previous cleanings with Froglube has somehow contaminated the striker chamber over time. As a result, access Froglube made its way into the chamber and began to remove and isolate carbon as per the product's design. But because the product could not be removed from the chamber, it sat there and continued to clean and collect more carbon until it became a thick gel.

    Now I do not blame Froglube for this malfunction nor I do use an excessive amount of it when I use it to clean my weapon. In fact, I use it very sparingly when I clean with it and I only use very little of it to lube the required contact points. However, I did learn that striker type firearms are very temperamental when it comes to their firing chambers. Froglube is a great product, but I will definitely keep it away from my striker chamber from hence forth. The last thing you need is to have a great cleaning product causing you to lose your life.

    So the moral of this story? It always a good practice to fire your carry weapon every once in awhile to make sure it is at its peek performance. You never know that something that you've been doing over time may actually cause your weapon to malfunction without you being aware of it.

    - Gomphe
    Last edited by Gomphe; 11-10-2014, 1:19 AM. Reason: Grammarical errors
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    Cali-Shooter
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2009
    • 9192

    You made a very important discovery, this is what more striker-fire handgun owners need to know about.
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    • #3
      jdben92883
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 3635

      You might not blame Freak-Lube, but I do. With so many other FAR SUPERIOR cleaning and maintenance options, it blows my mind that people still use this stuff.
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      • #4
        mike_in_ca
        Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 405

        GLOCK.....Lube is optional

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        • #5
          MA5177
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 1487

          I only use hoppes 9 for this reason on my glocks.

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          • #6
            idntwn2
            Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 281

            I had a similar problem with my XD 45. I was over oiling it. I use the pencil in the barrel firing pin test now.

            Put the eraser end in the barrel and dry fire. The pencil should jump out of the barrel.

            Had the gun sonic cleaned and now it gets a drop of oil every couple a trips out.

            Bore snake, wipe down and back in the safe. No problems since.

            My smith said most folks over oil their striker fired guns. Not a good thing.

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            • #7
              ElDub1950
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2012
              • 5688

              Seems like the moral of the story is to clean your striker channel periodically and don't over lube.

              They all get dirty over time and if you muck it up with any lube in the striker channel it's going to fail soon.

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              • #8
                Trout_fear_me
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 1013

                Wow, thank God you made this discovery at the range and not when facing down a BG.

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                • #9
                  -hanko
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 14174

                  Originally posted by jdben92883
                  You might not blame Freak-Lube, but I do. With so many other FAR SUPERIOR cleaning and maintenance options, it blows my mind that people still use this stuff.
                  It's well beyond that.

                  Any failures in a weapon using FrogLube are immediately blamed on too much used on the gun, or on some other misstep related to FL's laborious application process.

                  A simple analogy might be putting the wrong oil in your car, and having the engine blow up. Do you blame the car or the lubricant?

                  The manufacturer of you weapon has recommended lubricants in your owner's manual. I would defer to their expertise before that of someone with no experience in lubricants who's repackaging a lubricant originally designed for amusement park rides. I'm not aware of any firearms manufacturer recommending Frog Lube.

                  This thread is a great example of how using the wrong lubricant in your weapon might get you killed.
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                  • #10
                    Daisy'sDad
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 589

                    At the Glock Armorers training, they teach you how to check for free movement of the firing (striker) pin and how to check the function of the striker pin safety.
                    Probably the same for most all striker fired weapons, and there is likely a YouTube video that shows how this is performed.
                    Certified Glock Armorer/NRA Certified Pistol Instructor and RSO

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                    • #11
                      Zartan
                      In Memoriam
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 6269

                      Glad you found that OP. I'm just happy with my M-Pro7 products.
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                      • #12
                        Gomphe
                        Member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 257

                        Originally posted by idntwn2
                        I had a similar problem with my XD 45. I was over oiling it. I use the pencil in the barrel firing pin test now.

                        Put the eraser end in the barrel and dry fire. The pencil should jump out of the barrel.

                        Had the gun sonic cleaned and now it gets a drop of oil every couple a trips out.

                        Bore snake, wipe down and back in the safe. No problems since.

                        My smith said most folks over oil their striker fired guns. Not a good thing.
                        I think I should also do that from now on, just for peace of mind. Nevertheless, I am taking my XD to a smith to have it completely stripped and cleaned. In my case, it wasn't an issue of over oiling or over usage of Froglube. Instead, it was an issue of getting contaminating the striker chamber with FL over the course of many cleanings.

                        -Gomphe

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                        • #13
                          Rastoff
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 750

                          Thanks Gomphe. It's a good reminder to take care of our carry guns.

                          Originally posted by ElDub1950
                          Seems like the moral of the story is to clean your striker channel periodically and don't over lube.

                          They all get dirty over time and if you muck it up with any lube in the striker channel it's going to fail soon.
                          This is absolutely correct. The type of lube is irrelevant for this kind of malfunction. I've seen this over and over in shotguns. Light strikes cause failures-to-fire. The most common cause of light primer strikes is a dirty firing pin or striker channel.

                          It behooves all of us to check the firing pin or striker channel now and then. Not every time you clean, but every thousand rounds or six months or so. A Q-Tip run down the channel will prevent any serious build up.


                          Originally posted by mike_in_ca
                          GLOCK.....Lube is optional
                          I hope you're just kidding with this. Just in case you're serious, this is really bad advice. The last time I heard this in person, the guy's gun malfunctioned on the next shot. He of course blamed the ammo, but there was no doubt that a good cleaning would have helped his gun work better.
                          Remember, you can post here because they died over there.

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                          • #14
                            davidly15
                            Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 413

                            Thank you for sharing.
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                            • #15
                              Trout_fear_me
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1013

                              Originally posted by Rastoff
                              Thanks Gomphe. It's a good reminder to take care of our carry guns.

                              This is absolutely correct. The type of lube is irrelevant for this kind of malfunction. I've seen this over and over in shotguns. Light strikes cause failures-to-fire. The most common cause of light primer strikes is a dirty firing pin or striker channel.

                              It behooves all of us to check the firing pin or striker channel now and then. Not every time you clean, but every thousand rounds or six months or so. A Q-Tip run down the channel will prevent any serious build up.
                              Just curious if you know how to do this on a Glock 19?

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