Glock Issue/Question-CCW Weapon

[Dirtbikindad393]

I know it may seem like this belongs in another place but its one of my ccw weapons and I need a clarification.

I shot a GSSF event this past weekend and pulled many of my shots low left. I was told that is pretty normal for new Glock users. One thing that can help is to tweak the pull by changing it to a 3.5 lb connector. I am told this change will take it to 4-4.5 lbs pull.
My question is if I change the connector to a 3.5 lb connector how does this effect my gun if I have to use it in self defense and I kill somebody. Will I get raked over the coals in court because I tweaked my weapon for a lighter pull from the factory settings? Am I better off getting a separate weapon for the match.

[twotacocombo]

Somebody has yet to cite a case where an otherwise good shoot was turned bad because of a modified trigger.

But seriously, it's an excuse to go buy another gun. What are you waiting for??

[jlbflyboy172]

As mentioned above, no case law against the idea. But I would suggest (I tried the same thing) 3.5 lbs, is pretty darn light and in a tense situation you might want to have a little more resistance between your trigger finger and a potentially life changing event.

Your shooting low left is very indicative of a lack of trigger control. Do a lot of dry fire practice and really focus mentally on only squeezing that one little part of your body at the moment of truth and I believe your problem will fix itself.

Again, as mentioned before, the better solution is to get a different gun for competition. The Glock 34 is already setup for that from the factory and is a wonderful piece. Pretty standard among many that shoot those events.

Just 2 cents worth that did cost you as much.

[71MUSTY]

As mentioned above, no case law against the idea. But I would suggest (I tried the same thing) 3.5 lbs, is pretty darn light and in a tense situation you might want to have a little more resistance between your trigger finger and a potentially life changing event.

Your shooting low left is very indicative of a lack of trigger control. Do a lot of dry fire practice and really focus mentally on only squeezing that one little part of your body at the moment of truth and I believe your problem will fix itself.

Again, as mentioned before, the better solution is to get a different gun for competition. The Glock 34 is already setup for that from the factory and is a wonderful piece. Pretty standard among many that shoot those events.

Just 2 cents worth that did cost you as much.

Pretty much what he said. Low and to Left is better addressed by modifying the shooter then the weapon. Do a lot of dry fire AND get an experienced shooter to critique your form. Grip, stance etc.

Also the more you shoot your glock the better you are going to get.

[jlbflyboy172]

Get a laser bullet to put in the gun. Turn it on and aim at a point and then squeeze the trigger and watch how much it moves. Practice until it doesn't any more and you are good to go.

http://www.amazon.com/Score-SM39017-Sightmark-45-Boresight/dp/B001C3S73G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1415146339&sr=8-4&keywords=laser+bullet

[Sabesimpson]

^^ this is how my wife was training with a S&W bodyguard .38 it is a double action only with apox. An 8lb trigger pull. It helped her a lot.

[Tough Guy Levi]

Dirtbikindad393

You aren't pressing the trigger straight back and/or not using the pad of your trigger finger causing rounds to hit in the 7 clock area

Tough Guy Levi
NRA Pistol Instructor/RSO

[Dirtbikindad393]

Get a laser bullet to put in the gun. Turn it on and aim at a point and then squeeze the trigger and watch how much it moves. Practice until it doesn't any more and you are good to go.

http://www.amazon.com/Score-SM39017-...s=laser+bullet

Yeah I know I have work to do that goes without saying! I plan on working on my trigger pull, I actually did a bunch of dry fire today in my office. I like the laser bullet idea that will help my (shooter) problems. I just thought that if I went to a 3.5 lb connector, which again I have seen several people say with just that alone will get you a 4-4.5 lb trigger pull not 3.5 lb, I figured if I did that then I could have a better pull and work on the shooter. I think I will work on the shooter first then make a decision later down the road. I have the beginnings of a blister/callus on the bottom of my trigger finger from shooting the last few weekends in a row. I need to let that settle down before I shoot a class I am taking on the 29th. Dry Fire will be my method of work for now.

[rugersigkimber]

Keep the Glock stock.
Practice.
I was at the same event this past weekend. Good time!

[Captiontom]

If you did use the gun in self defense I doubt anyone would even know that the connector was changed. are they really going to test the trigger and say "that's a pound too light, something doesn't belong"

[caliberetta]

Count me in as one more that agrees with "keep it stock and train." The Glock is accurate enough as is, and the training/improvement in your skill is a great process anyway.

OP: Suggestion to cure your low/left shooting: The best dry firing is done at the range. When you go to practice, Dry Fire in between magazines, and alternate till you get it right.

Take your time, shoot 5 or 6 shots at a time. For example:

5 Dry Fires
5 Live
5 Dry Fires
-- Break a few minutes --

5 Dry Fires
5 Live
5 Dry Fires
-- Break --

... and so on. Try it, you'll be surprised to learn exactly why you shoot low left, and see how quickly you'll improve. Just keep it steady and don't rush. Do that for a few range trips, and after you get it down, then you can pick up the speed/pace.

Hope that helps, Good luck

[kantstudien]

Changing the connector is not a cure for poor trigger control.

With that said, it should not be an issue since the trigger is factory authorized from Glock (34 & 35).

[Trout_fear_me]

If you did use the gun in self defense I doubt anyone would even know that the connector was changed. are they really going to test the trigger and say "that's a pound too light, something doesn't belong"

I'm pretty sure the civil attorney trying to sue you for thousands (if not millions) of dollars will leave no stone unturned. The gun will be evidence and available for their expert to examine.

Here's how it will go down:

Attorney: "So Mr. Firearms Expert what did you notice when you examined the gun used in the shooting?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "The gun had been modified to have a lighter trigger pull."

Attorney: "So essentially, the defendant took what would be classified as a safe gun, and gave it what some people call a hair trigger?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "Yes, that is what some people call it"

Attorney: "So, essentially the defendant thought he was like Wyatt Earp at the OK Corral, itching for a gunfight, and modified his gun to fire at the slightest touch?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "I guess you could say that"

Attorney: "No further questions of this witness"

And the jury now has in their head that you are blood thirsty monster who was just waiting to kill someone....

[Randy G.]

I'm pretty sure the civil attorney trying to sue you for thousands (if not millions) of dollars will leave no stone unturned. The gun will be evidence and available for their expert to examine.

Here's how it will go down:

Attorney: "So Mr. Firearms Expert what did you notice when you examined the gun used in the shooting?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "The gun had been modified to have a lighter trigger pull."

Attorney: "So essentially, the defendant took what would be classified as a safe gun, and gave it what some people call a hair trigger?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "Yes, that is what some people call it"

Attorney: "So, essentially the defendant thought he was like Wyatt Earp at the OK Corral, itching for a gunfight, and modified his gun to fire at the slightest touch?"

Mr. Firearms Expert: "I guess you could say that"

Attorney: "No further questions of this witness"

And the jury now has in their head that you are blood thirsty monster who was just waiting to kill someone....

What about SSE?

[RobertMW]

I shoot a lot of rounds out of a couple Glocks. I have shot the 3.5 pound factory connector, the stock connector, and the Ghost Rocket 3.5 pound connector. They all feel different.

The stock (~5 lb) connector is going to give you the most crisp trigger pull without making any other modifications to the firearm.

The factory 3.5 lb connector makes the trigger pull a little mushy, as it increases the length of the trigger pull.

The Ghost Rocket 3.5 lb. connector gives the same mushyness, but it has the added benefit of an internal over-travel stop, so it makes up for the loss of crispness. (This is good for competition shooting, as it is a little less about super precise trigger work)

As for the Down and Left, that is pretty classic flinching and increasing your grip pressure as you pull the trigger. If you have a pretty new Glock, you can have a bit of creep that exacerbates the flinch problem, because you may hit a sticky spot in the trigger pull, and when the trigger moves you expect it to fire. Lots of dry fire trigger pulls, or the "25 cent trigger job" go a long ways in helping any creep in the trigger, as it smooths out the inner workings so that they do not stick on one another.