CCW and morality

[drilldaddy78]

I have a question for you guys. We train so that if a bad situation comes up we can stop the threat. With that being said when you shoot you shoot to kill. If you were involved in a self defense shooting and the threat was gone would you render first aid until paramedics show up. I know a lot of people say if the bad guy is dead there is only one story to tell but would you and could you stand by and watch someone die by your hand if they didn't have to?

I had a situation happen today and it has me thinking about this. I am curious to hear your thoughts.

[SonofWWIIDI]

If its their time, its their time. If they are meant to live, they will, if not...

I'm not sure if I would do anything, it might be construed as you trying to finish them off by hand rather than another shot.

Of course, I would have to be presented with that situation to really know one way or another. And I hope that never happens.








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[Hungsolo]

If I shot someone I would in no way render aid.

[drilldaddy78]

If its their time, its their time. If they are meant to live, they will, if not...

I'm not sure if I would do anything, it might be construed as you trying to finish them off by hand rather than another shot.

Of course, I would have to be presented with that situation to really know one way or another. And I hope that never happens.








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That thought crossed my mind as far as me trying to do more harm. The other worry I had was that it could be spun by an attorney that I accidently shot and was trying to help due to a mistake.

[VendetAR]

You dont touch them and keep your weapon trained on them until LEO comes.

You are not an EMT so its not your job. There is also the possibilty of them sticking you with something or otherwise trying to take you to your grave along with them.

You don't render aid to the enemy in war right after you shot them, its not much different in a self defense situation.

[Quiet]

You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat.

Legally...
When they are no longer a threat, you need to stop using deadly force.

If you render aid, you become liable for the well being.

[Jeepergeo]

Seems like the Good Sumaritan stuff would kick in IF you chose to render aid. Perhaps the best use of your time would be to call 911 and then your attorney because you are likely going to be detained and your gun confiscated. The dead guy will get better treatment than you will. And your name will be splashed in the newspaper including details perhaps including how many rounds you had and whether they were man killer ammo.

[Spawn]

If they didn't need to die by your hand then you shouldn't have drawn your weapon to protect your life in the first place and your safety probably wasn't threatened. If it was threatened, that's why you carry.

[Peter.Steele]

You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat.

Legally...
When they are no longer a threat, you need to stop using deadly force.

This.

[HighLander51]

You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat.

Legally...
When they are no longer a threat, you need to stop using deadly force.

If you render aid, you become liable for the well being.

Correct, once a threat is neutralized, you no longer employ deadly force. And you have no obligation, moral or otherwise, to render first aid. Friend of mine ended up in civil court over that exact same issue, providing medical aid, family sued, he lost, ended up costing him over $150,000.

[redcliff]

While standing by and watching someone possibly die needlessly may be the financially prudent thing to do, I question if that is the moral thing to do once you've called 911 and secured the situation, but everyone has a different moral compass and I'm not trying to be judgmental.

I personally will try to render whatever first aid I can if the situation should arise if I can do so safely and after I assist any innocent victims first.

[Custom ii]

When you render aid, you assume liability for the injured party. What if you did something wrong in administering first aid that caused the patient to die. That would open up a entirely new can of worms.

No, I will call 911 first, an attorney second, shut up and wait for the LEO and attorney to arrive.

[Yaki]

If you threaten my life and I have to use deadly force I would not have a problem with my conscience.
After calling 911 I would remain at the scene and give my one sentence and then remain silent.

[nine mil thrill]

absolutely not. i would keep my distance, i would keep my gun trained on him at all times. until leo show up and handcuff the "threat", or "pronounce", the theat, i will stay away from him at all times.

[redcliff]

When you've just shot someone there is plenty of civil liability to go around already and you standing there watching him bleed out "callously" (their attorney's word) isn't going to play well to a jury either, lets not kid ourselves. The EMT's could take 20+ minutes to arrive where I live.

And again, this thread is about morality, not liability. Last I checked morality can't be measured by it's impact on my wallet. I've suffered very significant financial consequences by upholding my morals in the past but would do so again.