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I have recently picked up my CCW and I have the employment restriction. Basically it states that it is not valid during the course and scope with _______. My two questions are: can I carry on the way to work, leave it in my vehicle on or off of company property and be okay, and can I carry when I go out to lunch with co-workers since it's not company paid time? I guess the second question would hinge on the first. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
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San Bernardino County also has a not for employment purposes.
When I had a permit with them...
I would carry to work. When I got to my work, while in the parking lot, I would secure my handgun in my vehicle (unloaded in locked container). When I left work (end of shift), would carry again. I would not carry the entire time I was on the clock for work.sigpic
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For San Bernardino County it specifically states "Not to be used for employment purposes". They are forbidding the use of a CCW granted by their issuing agency to be used for the primary function of executing a job function, i.e bodyguard, private investigator, etc. It is granted solely under the auspices of personal protection - not to advance your career. This does not mean that you cannot carry your CCW firearm in a concealed manner to your place of work. California law does not recognize "no weapons allowed" signs on private property as they pertain to individuals with a valid CCW - i.e. they have no statutory force of law. If your employer has a written policy in their employee handbook which specifically forbids firearm possession on company grounds, then doing so can and will likely get you terminated if you are caught. They will not, however, have any legal recourse to charge you - unless they request you leave the premises once you are made and you refuse to comply. If that were to occur, you could be charged with trespassing.
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I should probably have mentioned that my CCW is through Stanislaus County. The CCW states that it is not valid during the course and scope of employment. Maybe someone from Stan County that has theirs can chime in. I appreciate the help and thank you. Also made a phone call and am waiting to hear back.Comment
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"Course and Scope" suggests you cannot use a personal permit for professional reasons. If you are delivering pizza you can carry for personal protection but if you are a security guard you need a specific weapon license for that job.Comment
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Maybe it's just me but I would interpret that to mean something like it can not be used for work (think armed bodyguard or pi) instead of at work. I would think if the employer is ok with it why should the county care? I'd call and ask for some clarification from the issuing agency.Comment
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My interpretation would be that the ccw would not be in effect while working. I believe "during" is the operative term to be focused on. If they wanted to limit the restriction to certain types of employment or duties related to the ccw then they would. My thought is that they made the restriction broad in an effort to shield employers.
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Just for clarification, I received a phone call back from Stan County and I was told that I am allowed to carry on the way to work and leave the firearm in the car so as long as I do not carry while working (example: 8am-5pm). My second question (referring to going out to eat lunch on non-company paid time during the work day), was answered with "no" because carrying, even on a lunch break on your own time, is still during the working hours (again, example of 8am-5pm.) So hopefully that clarifies things for anyone else wondering. So technically I can drive from my work with the firearm to the restaurant while on lunch break, leave it in the car while I go eat, and then drive back to work and leave it in the car until the end of the day? That is how I'm understanding it.Last edited by Trevolution; 09-18-2013, 11:27 AM.Comment
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I do know the name of the person I spoke to and they were an administrative assistant I believe. Maybe I should contact the sheriff directly through email or someone else that can give me a solid answer. It seemed a bit weird when I was given the answer but I figured that's how it works.Comment
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These restrictions are reasonable since we all know you won't be a victim on those days and hours.
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Did you contact the Sheriff? I am in Modesto and I have the same situation. Mostly for my wife who is a RE agent and doesn't have "work hours". I was sure it was for work use(body guard etc.) until you said they said you couldn't carry during work hours.
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You guys are making tgis wayyyyyy too difficult. It means you can't use the gun for work. Like a bodyguard. The sheriffs office isn't going to give you a list of jobs it is ok to carry at. You need to thibk for yourself.
You are confusing the licenses people have got in places like San Diego that say "only valid while transporting jewels in scope of employment"just happy to be here. I like talking about better ways to protect ourselves.
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I have the same restriction, however it's in place on the CCW because the SO knows that the hospital I work for has a no guns policy.
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