CCW Limits

[Italianpwr]

Are CCW's in CA done by county or state wide? So if I get one in Placer county, can I carry my firearm throughout the entire state?

[rromeo]

They are issued by the county, but it is a state license.

[troysland]

Issued by county, But valid throughout the State. Check with issuing agency for restrictions. Like if you move out of issuing county.

[Librarian]

See also the 2 stickies in this forum, 'Definitive where can I carry' and 'LTC Penal Code and FAQ'

[Neptune]

If you move out of the county, you have to apply in your new county. The Sheriff can only issue in his county, but the license is DOJ Approved through the State at the discretion of the Sheriff. You can carry in any city or county unless otherwise specified on your permit.

San Francisco or LA may arrest you anyway and confiscate your weapon, but they have no basis for doing so. They may try to enforce their own local laws, but the State Law over rules the local laws. It may cost you time, money, and inconvenience in the meantime, but that's the way things currently stand.


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[mitchg233]

San Francisco or LA may arrest you anyway and confiscate your weapon

Do you have any first or second hand knowledge of that?

[Supertac916]

The permits are issued by the county in which you live. If you move to another county your permit is good for 90 days and you must inform them within 10 days of your moving.

Just read the sticky's Librarian posted. There's limitations regarding where you can carry and we can't carry on Federal property. I just completed my Placer county transfer from Sac and the CCW processor told me that the Sheriff will revoke our permits, if we are caught carrying in businesses with "Firearms prohibited" signs and she did say that the city of SF won't honor our CCW's according to the Sheriff. If we are caught the Placer County Sheriff's department will not protect us against criminal charges and will revoke our permits.

Her suggestion was to make sure that the cities and private businesses we carry in don't have restrictions on firearms. As the other posters said it's not illegal for us to carry in certain cities or private businesses, but it doesn't mean that we won't get hassled and have our permits revoked. We could be arrested for trespassing in businesses who don't allow firearms and in the cities we could be hassled.

I've noticed more and more restrictions coming up since the local sheriff's departments have been issuing more CCW's. Placer county has tripled their issuances and Sac county only had 250 permits prior to a few years ago. Now they're in the 2,000+ range I believe.

[Old_Bald_Guy]

San Francisco or LA may arrest you anyway and confiscate your weapon, but they have no basis for doing so. They may try to enforce their own local laws, but the State Law over rules the local laws. It may cost you time, money, and inconvenience in the meantime, but that's the way things currently stand.


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NOT TRUE. This has been debunked here more times than anyone can count.




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[mitchg233]

we can't carry on Federal property

You cannot carry in posted Federal facilities. You can carry on Federal property. I think your post went downhill after that. What people say is not necessarily what the law is, and the law is what we obey, not a mishmash of misinformed opinions.

[bergmen]

The permits are issued by the county in which you live. If you move to another county your permit is good for 90 days and you must inform them within 10 days of your moving.

Just read the sticky's Librarian posted. There's limitations regarding where you can carry and we can't carry on Federal property. I just completed my Placer county transfer from Sac and the CCW processor told me that the Sheriff will revoke our permits, if we are caught carrying in businesses with "Firearms prohibited" signs and she did say that the city of SF won't honor our CCW's according to the Sheriff. If we are caught the Placer County Sheriff's department will not protect us against criminal charges and will revoke our permits.

Her suggestion was to make sure that the cities and private businesses we carry in don't have restrictions on firearms. As the other posters said it's not illegal for us to carry in certain cities or private businesses, but it doesn't mean that we won't get hassled and have our permits revoked. We could be arrested for trespassing in businesses who don't allow firearms and in the cities we could be hassled.

I've noticed more and more restrictions coming up since the local sheriff's departments have been issuing more CCW's. Placer county has tripled their issuances and Sac county only had 250 permits prior to a few years ago. Now they're in the 2,000+ range I believe.

This is flatly incorrect and there is nothing in the San Francisco Firearms Ordinances that support this position.

I would ask your "processor" to substantiate this position with an authoritative resource.

Dan

[Supertac916]

This is flatly incorrect and there is nothing in the San Francisco Firearms Ordinances that support this position.

I would ask your "processor" to substantiate this position with an authoritative resource.

Dan

I plan on asking her to substantiate after I get my permit in the mail. Honestly, I didn't want to get into it with the processor as she's fingerprinting me.

The permit also only had the "Invalid during the consumption of alcohol or drugs" stated on the permit.

Too be honest, when I asked her she did think it was against the law to carry in a "Firearms Prohibited" sign business she mentioned that they pulled permits from guys carrying in an airport. I told her that it was illegal due to Federal law, but it's not illegal to carry into a private businness with a sign. She said that she looked into it after receiving a call from another CCW holder and asked the Sheriff. According to her the Sheriff said he will revoke any permit holder's CCW, if we are caught carrying in a business with a prohibited sign.

[bergmen]

I plan on asking her to substantiate after I get my permit in the mail. Honestly, I didn't want to get into it with the processor as she's fingerprinting me.

The permit also only had the "Invalid during the consumption of alcohol or drugs" stated on the permit.

Too be honest, when I asked her she did think it was against the law to carry in a "Firearms Prohibited" sign business she mentioned that they pulled permits from guys carrying in an airport. I told her that it was illegal due to Federal law, but it's not illegal to carry into a private businness with a sign. She said that she looked into it after receiving a call from another CCW holder and asked the Sheriff. According to her the Sheriff said he will revoke any permit holder's CCW, if we are caught carrying in a business with a prohibited sign.

Well, the Sheriff has the discretion to restrict the license (or even not issue) based on anything they want. If he/she doesn't like the color of your hair they can deny without stating the reason.

Mine states "Not valid if under influence of drugs or alcohol". Personally, I think it would be a good idea to get their "verbal" restrictions in writing so you know where you stand. It is NOT illegal to carry concealed in airports, only if one tries to go through TSA security which is definitely not legal. Also, at GA airports, there is no problem driving out to your airplane and loading up rifles, pistols and shotguns and taking off.

It is extremely important for the issuing authority to be versed in California gun laws, especialy concerning concealed carry. It is also important for them to support law abiding citizens that are conducting themselves without criminal intent.

Dan

[Supertac916]

Well, the Sheriff has the discretion to restrict the license (or even not issue) based on anything they want. If he/she doesn't like the color of your hair they can deny without stating the reason.

Mine states "Not valid if under influence of drugs or alcohol". Personally, I think it would be a good idea to get their "verbal" restrictions in writing so you know where you stand. It is NOT illegal to carry concealed in airports, only if one tries to go through TSA security which is definitely not legal. Also, at GA airports, there is no problem driving out to your airplane and loading up rifles, pistols and shotguns and taking off.

It is extremely important for the issuing authority to be versed in California gun laws, especialy concerning concealed carry. It is also important for them to support law abiding citizens that are conducting themselves without criminal intent.

Dan

I think the best guys we should talk to are the Sheriff's or upper administration themselves. Trust me it would be nice to know if and when I'm actually risking my permit from being revoked or possibly being arrested. My cousin is pretty well tied into all of the local agencies and he just acquired his permit thru Sac County. I'll ask him tomorrow to see if he could make some calls to clarify the issues we keep hearing about.

1) Prohibited Signs
2) Carrying into other cities who are anti-gun.

Could we be held criminally liable and/or our permits revoked in both Sacramento and Placer County.

Anything else you guys want to add that's been questionable? I just want to know the Sheriff and CCW issuing boards opinions and rationales. I'll shoot my cousin an e-mail tomorrow.

[bergmen]

Read the two links Librarian posted very carefully. They will tell you exactly where you can and cannot carry legally in California. If your issuing agency has further restrictions, they must be itemized on your license in writing, not told to you verbally by the "processor".

There are issuing agency policies that are outside the legal arena of LTC carry (for instance, ours has a policy on carrying of a laminated copy of the license rather than a lamination of the original, methods for making changes on the LTC, etc.).

Dan

[Librarian]

I'm sure you already know this, but "be nice about it".

Nothing seems to be more painful than to give up 'facts' one has known for a long time.

Long ago I had advice on how to correct one's boss if s/he were blatantly wrong. The phrasing was "That turns out not to be the case ..." Very indirect, very soft, but conveys "You're wrong" in a less confrontational way.