Concealed Carry Ruling ?

[Paul S]

[thefinger]

I think the term is "substantially concealed". Check out this page....

wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Defining_Concealed

[Paul S]

I think the term is "substantially concealed". Check out this page....

wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Defining_Concealed

Thank you sir! That's the info I am seeking.
I looked everywhere EXCEPT the wiki...shame on me I guess.

Again...my thanks.

[Tiberius]

Just a cautionary, and possibly ill-informed, note: the case law in that Wiki seems to all relate to people charged with carrying dirks, concealed and therefore illegally. In other words, the courts were saying that these were covered up enough to qualify as concealed, and therefore were illegal. The individuals in the cases (the defendants) were probably arguing that since the tip of the blade either printed or stuck out, it wasn't concealed.

The rules for what counts as concealed for LTC purposes may be different. It's the opposition situation - a CCW/LTC weapon is supposed to be concealed, while the dirk/knife in most of the cases isn't. There's a rule of reason, probably. If a hurricane force winds paints your clothes against you and print, not illegal. If you're walking around with a S&W 500 under a fold of toilet paper, not concealed.

[Librarian]

Just a cautionary, and possibly ill-informed, note: the case law in that Wiki seems to all relate to people charged with carrying dirks, concealed and therefore illegally. In other words, the courts were saying that these were covered up enough to qualify as concealed, and therefore were illegal. The individuals in the cases (the defendants) were probably arguing that since the tip of the blade either printed or stuck out, it wasn't concealed.

The rules for what counts as concealed for LTC purposes may be different. It's the opposition situation - a CCW/LTC weapon is supposed to be concealed, while the dirk/knife in most of the cases isn't. There's a rule of reason, probably. If a hurricane force winds paints your clothes against you and print, not illegal. If you're walking around with a S&W 500 under a fold of toilet paper, not concealed.

Those are the cases cited for support for PC 12025 in the CalCrim jury instructions; evidently the California court system believes those cases apply equally to handguns and dirks.