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  • TERRYGER
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 357

    very curious

    i always see these posts warning of not putting a "good cause statement" online.

    what would be the justification of this train of thought?
  • #2
    Big Jake
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2009
    • 12509

    Because your good cause statement is yours alone and should not be shared on a public forum where LEO's and the general public can see it!
    "Life Is Hard. It's Harder When You're Stupid"-John Wayne!

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    • #3
      TERRYGER
      Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 357

      Originally posted by Big Jake
      Because your good cause statement is yours alone and should not be shared on a public forum where LEO's and the general public can see it!

      i know that. it is what allowed me to get my permits.

      please explain why it would be of interest to an leo. of what use would it be to him?

      as for the general public, my good cause is specific only to me and my circumstances. the odds of anyone else having the same cause with the same specifics as i do would be slim and none.

      the personal interview is when you get to explain your good cause detail.

      i don't remember being quizzed on wheather i had discussed it with the general public or leo.

      by the way. i didn't ask anyone to help me with it or run it by anyone to see if it passed their test first either.

      i don't post it publically only because it contains personal info that is nobodies business but i'm not ashamed of any of it or worried an leo may see it.

      i don't post up my financials or my lovelife details either, other than to say both are more than sufficient for my needs.

      just don't understand what the big secret is.

      any others reasons you or anybody else can think of?

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      • #4
        Billy Jack
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 685

        Originally posted by TERRYGER
        i know that. it is what allowed me to get my permits.

        please explain why it would be of interest to an leo. of what use would it be to him?

        as for the general public, my good cause is specific only to me and my circumstances. the odds of anyone else having the same cause with the same specifics as i do would be slim and none.

        the personal interview is when you get to explain your good cause detail.

        i don't remember being quizzed on wheather i had discussed it with the general public or leo.

        by the way. i didn't ask anyone to help me with it or run it by anyone to see if it passed their test first either.

        i don't post it publically only because it contains personal info that is nobodies business but i'm not ashamed of any of it or worried an leo may see it.

        i don't post up my financials or my lovelife details either, other than to say both are more than sufficient for my needs.

        just don't understand what the big secret is.

        any others reasons you or anybody else can think of?

        Reason number one. Posting ones GC goes towards your discretion, judgment and understanding of case law in regard to CCW issuance.


        Reason number two. You need to read CBS v Block. If you had, perhaps we would not be having this discussion. This case law allows departments to render confidential and protected from a PRAR under the California Government Code certain portions of your GC statement if it includes overly specific information that might make you more subject to an attack.

        Generally GC statements are public but sometimes an applicant states things that by their very disclosure would subject the applicant and or their immediate family to more danger.

        If a new Sheriff or Chief were to take office, wanted to reduce CCW numbers and ordered an audit of CCW files, your disclosure of your GC could subject you to closer scrutiny during a subsequent renewal.

        I have a profession related CCW that is very specific and I would never discuss it with stranger, let alone post it on the Internet.


        Billy Jack
        'The Force is strong with this one'


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        • #5
          TERRYGER
          Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 357

          [QUOTE=Billy Jack;4705726]
          Reason number two. You need to read CBS v Block. If you had, perhaps we would not be having this discussion. This case law allows departments to render confidential and protected from a PRAR under the California Government Code certain portions of your GC statement if it includes overly specific information that might make you more subject to an attack.

          Thanx for your response.

          i have read CBS v Block. along with what you have listed above it also allows preculsion of
          certain information supplied by individual applicants that may under certain circumstances entail a substantial privacy interest. For example, the records may contain intimate information concerning an applicant's own or his family's medical or psychological history. In such special cases, the confidential information may be deleted.


          Generally GC statements are public but sometimes an applicant states things that by their very disclosure would subject the applicant and or their immediate family to more danger.

          addressed above


          If a new Sheriff or Chief were to take office, wanted to reduce CCW numbers and ordered an audit of CCW files, your disclosure of your GC could subject you to closer scrutiny during a subsequent renewal.

          all agencies already have full access to your full GC. use of info for purposes you suggested is illegal. CBS v Block is the exact reason this would be an unwise course of action by any "Sheriff or Chief". regardless of his reason.

          even with deletion of the above stated "overly private" issues,

          If the information on which the decision to grant can be kept from the public and the press, then there is no method by which the people can ever ascertain whether the law is being fairly and impartially applied.
          which is protection for the ccw applicant.



          I have a profession related CCW that is very specific and I would never discuss it with stranger, let alone post it on the Internet.


          i'm pretty sure i said that in my post above.

          i can understand not posting critical private info on the net but why is there a problem posting "I have a profession related CCW that is very specific" and another person responding it was good enough for me but i cannot say it will be good enough for you.


          novice posters usually just want some general guidance and come to a page with others that have been through the process for some general support.


          if they are looking for someone to write a gc statement for them, IMO they have disqaulified themselves from anymore help.


          i suppose it is just a case of different responses to the same questions.

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