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  • BC9696
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 2033

    LIVE FIRE VS VIRTUAL TRAINING

    I'm circling back on an older (closed) thread after experiencing the digital training at Artemis Defense Institute. The 300* scenarios are amazing! We all think we know how we'll handle an actual defensive situation and our live fire practices is adequate. It's not. In live fire training your target is stationary, it does move, it doesn't talk to you, it doesn't lunge at you in attack and it doesn't crumple in front of you when you shoot it. No matter who you are and how much other training you've had...seeing a person drop after shooting them is jarring. All your training goes right out the window that first time you see the reality of discharging your weapon and killing someone. In that moment you will pause and in that pause...you are completely vulnerable. It doesn't matter how many times you've been told to scan your surroundings and maintain control of the scene...seeing a body crumple in front of you for the first time has impact. And that's why this type of training is not just beneficial but vital to all CCW permit holders.

    All your weaknesses will be exposed and your coach will help you improve. Whether it's processing the scenario's risks or how you are holding the weapon after shooting or your footwork...they will make you much better prepared for the real thing. And the scenarios at Artemis Defense are actual events that have taken place and scrutinized by the legal system.

    I thought it would be like a videogame...I was wrong. In a videogame your opponent respawns and repeats the same action, here it is different every time and you are forced to use those 8" between your ears. No other training will shape your abilities to handle (beep) when it happens like this virtual training will. It's as close to a Star Trek holodeck as you're gonna get.

    I was requesting ice cream to go with the humble pie I was served in my first couple of sessions. I made mistakes that would have landed me in jail and the morgue if made in real life. Trust me...you need to go and try this form of training once so you can appreciate the impact a full sized, walking, talking, threatening, target attacking you will have and how inadequate your target practice has been. You do not want to experience these scenarios in real life first. Live fire training has done little to prepare you for an actual fight. Stationary targets are easy to kill. A guy quickly advancing on you with a blade is much different. It gets the heart pumping.

    Last edited by BC9696; 04-04-2024, 10:12 AM.
    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
    The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.
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    GetMeCoffee
    Member
    • Apr 2019
    • 435

    Is there anything like this offered in Northern CA?
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    • #3
      BC9696
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 2033

      Contact your local law enforcement...if there is such a training tool near you, LEOs are using it. Got another session in in two hours...it's addictive. This form of training sticks with you in a way more traditional training drills doesn't. They even play back the incident so you can view it from an observer's perspective and the bad guy's perspective. When i say it exposes all your weaknesses...I do me ALL OF THEM. Watching yourself mess up in a manner that could get you killed or imprisoned has far more impact than a trainer telling you.
      Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

      The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
      The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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      • #4
        BC9696
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 2033

        Oh jeez! I am drinking tequila and beer after learning room clearing wearing this:



        Entering multiple rooms with armed and unarmed targets got my blood pumping hard. Didn't shoot any unarmed civilians but damn! Cops are way unpaid! It's so easy to screw up and get killed.

        This kinda training will make ya wanna drink & smoke!!!
        Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

        The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
        The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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        • #5
          Oneaudiopro
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 1183

          When I was in LE, we had training in a warehouse using simunition ammunition. Not only are you being put into real life situations but the bad guys can shoot back and if you get hit?..it HURTS!
          "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"

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          • #6
            JoyfulJoker
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Sep 2018
            • 755

            Some training schools have force on force scenario training in "shoot houses". with paint balls or simulation and live instructors /attackers.

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            • #7
              BC9696
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 2033

              I'm not ready to wear the vest that simulates bullet hits yet but have done plenty of paintballing. This kinda training is addictive. You learn the hard lessons fast.
              Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

              The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
              The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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              • #8
                Romeo_alpha01
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2017
                • 2026

                Doesn't Threat Scenarios in San Rafael have some sort of simulated shoot house? I thought they did when I was still in Norcal.

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                • #9
                  jager56
                  Member
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 200

                  Something
                  Last edited by jager56; 05-02-2024, 11:57 AM.

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