So, what is the characture reference for CCW

[Dano3467]

With SB2, what exactly is the character 3 reference's for CCW ?

What are your friends, acquaintances , or other supposed to write, in these reference's to procure a CCW in Commiecalifornia these days.

This STATE is FUKED to the 10's, with imbecile politicians, who are completely brain less. or traitors to the Constitution.

[Quiet]

So, what is the characture reference for CCW

With SB2, what exactly is the character 3 reference's for CCW ?

What are your friends, acquaintances , or other supposed to write, in these reference's to procure a CCW in Commiecalifornia these days.

Your references write nothing.

You write their name, their relationship to you, and their phone number in your CCW application.


Standard Initial and Renewal Application for License to Carry a Weapon Capable of Being Concealed (BOF 4012)
^On page 9 of BOF 4012:
Section 3 - Character References
Please list the names and contact information of three persons willing to serve as references. One of the three must be person described in Penal Code section 273.5, subdivision (b) (your spouse or former spouse, your cohabitant or former cohabitant, your fiance, or someone with whom you have, or previously had, an engagement or dating relationship, or the mother or father of your child), if applicable. At least one of the three must be your cohabitant, if applicable.
NAME / RELATIONSHIP / PHONE NUMBER




Penal Code 26175
(c)(1) The standard application form for licenses described in subdivision (a) shall require information from the applicant, including, but not limited to, the name, occupation, residence, and business address of the applicant, the applicant's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, the applicant's prior detentions, arrests, and criminal convictions, whether the applicant has been the subject of an order listed in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 26202 or a valid restraining, protective, or stay-away order issued by an out-of-state jurisdiction pursuant to laws concerning domestic violence, family law, protection of children or elderly persons, stalking, harassment, witness intimidation, or firearm possession, whether the applicant has previously been taken into custody as a danger to self or others under Section 5150 or Part 1.5 (commencing with Section 5585) of Division 5 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, assessed under Section 5151 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, admitted to a mental health facility under Section 5151 or 5152 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, or certified under Section 5250, 5260, or 5270.15 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, whether any licensing authority in this state or elsewhere has previously denied the applicant a license to carry a firearm or revoked such a license for any reason, the names and contact information of three persons willing to serve as references for the applicant, at least one of whom must be a person described in subdivision (b) of Section 273.5, if applicable, and at least one of whom must be the applicant's cohabitant, if applicable, and other information sufficient to make a determination of whether the applicant is a disqualified person pursuant to Section 26202.

[NorCalBusa]

Nowhere does it say the person giving the reference need be made aware of "why", nor should they have any need to know. The question becomes, will the IA respect that? Should you write in your list of names "do not make these references this has anything to do with firearms" and would that make any difference?

[L84CABO]

As I said in another recent post...There are 7 Billion people on this rock and I can tolerate...like...six of you savages. None of which I feel comfortable asking for any references. I'm older. I live alone. And it's been years since I have had anything that remotely resembles a "dating relationship" or a "cohabitant." What little family I have left are politically hostile to the Second Amendment.

What exactly am I supposed to do about references? And why are my GOD GIVEN rights predicated on somebody's opinion of me...which may or may not be affected by their political beliefs?

This is such a monumental pile of crap and clearly unconstitutional.

[G-forceJunkie]

Time for a CalGuns sleepover party so we all can get our pro-gun refrences inline. I don't see any minimum amount of time to "cohabitate." Bring earplugs...I snore

[zinfull]

When I first got my permit I had to have 3 character letters from non relatives. I would use people not in your everyday group to kept the knowledge from becoming gossip.

[SDM44]

Your references write nothing.

You write their name, their relationship to you, and their phone number in your CCW application.

It probably varies by the department you're applying to, but for WCPD and going through the myccw.us site, we have to provide 3 references that are not related and not co-workers, and those references had to write & submit a character letter.

My application paperwork was completed and submitted to WCPD on 2/29. As of now, my character references (one is a LASD detective and one is a LAPD patrolman) hasn't gotten any calls yet.

[Snoopy47]

My references were straight forward, and I personally wrote the letter, and had them sign it.

I know Snoopy47 from XYZ association.
I have known him for 1-2-3 years.
Snoopy is a good dude.
Include contact information the background investigator can use for validation.

Signed...........
His buddy Woodstock.

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Unless guidance if given don't over think the reference. 1) describe the association. 2) include the duration 3) comment in the most straight forward way you are upstanding member through your association.

[Preston-CLB]

I have to renew soon. It will be interesting to see how the Tuolumne County Sheriff handles this new requirement. The website has no info on this, so far.
-P

[gabe123]

The character reference is so bs. If they don't trust my background check, why would they trust 3 random phone numbers that I give them? and why would I need to disclose the fact that I am applying for CCW to 3 people? With the red flag laws nowadays, we don't talk about firearms with coworkers or friends like we used to. What if I married a Democrat who just don't like guns in general? So again, why can't I exercise my right without permission my 3 people that might or might not advertise the fact that I can carry to everyone in their facebook's friendlist?

[Snoopy47]

People just need a group of friends to get in a circle jerk and write each other references.

This is a wonderful time we are in.

The CCW threshold of issuing agencies being able to simply say "because I don't feel like it" has been removed.

Now, I get it.......... they are throwing up all sorts of other thresholds, but they are all surmountable, while still numerous still surmountable.

Become one of the growing, add to the CCW's out there, and make it a common thing in society.

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I went to thinking my children will probably be much more limited to being able to own firearms (possibly being limited to what I hand down to them) to thinking it's not unreasonable from this position we are in now that my children will have access to CCW's that could very well have a STATE WIDE vetted process (i.e. the nuances between IA's might be challenged and flush out a statewide benchmark, all be it probably the higher benchmark).

Regardless............

The roster being my greatest frustration to the irony of OK fine, still want a roster? I still get to walk around with a loaded gun down my pants.

[L84CABO]

Time for a CalGuns sleepover party so we all can get our pro-gun refrences inline. I don't see any minimum amount of time to "cohabitate." Bring earplugs...I snore

Pro Tip: If you go to a sleepover...do not...I repeat...DO NOT...accept an invitation into...the basement.

[DolphinFan]

My issue with character references and psychological exams is they are SUBJECTIVE NOT OBJECTIVE and directly conflict with the NYPRA v Bruen decision guidance.
If you can legally posses a handgun you should be able to carry it in any many you deem, without requiring government permission, like all other rights, you just exercise them.
Additionally, it is a violation of the California Constitution Article 1 Section 1. We all have the Inalienable Right to PRIVACY. What if I chose NOT to provide character references? Can a Right be denied because you wouldn't allow violation of another equal right?

Just remember who wrote this crap and where the ultimate decision lies.

Another good reason to re-elect President Trump. Another SCOTUS nomination or two.

[broadside]

Do renewals need the references too? I'd rather not have my ex bothered every 2 years with a call about the "job reference" each time.