LA County - Gun mods for ccw?

[damndave]

ok I just got approved for my CCW in LA County and still need to do my hours and qualification. My question is on gun modifications on my Sig P365. Is changing the grip module to something like a Wilson Combat a big nono for ccw? What about aftermarket triggers I have on my VP9 and G17? Is it also a nono to use handloads during qualification? I will be using factory when carrying.

[nintense]

ok I just got approved for my CCW in LA County and still need to do my hours and qualification. My question is on gun modifications on my Sig P365. Is changing the grip module to something like a Wilson Combat a big nono for ccw? What about aftermarket triggers I have on my VP9 and G17?

In short keep it stock. In long this is what you need to consider: in any case you discharged your firearm, there?s an investigation, and the prosecution will look for anything that can hurt your reputation. Now when you upgrade a trigger, in any case of negligence discharge you?ll have no chance. Just pick your favorite stock guns for CCW, and leave the toys for the range.


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[9Cal_OC]

In short keep it stock. In long this is what you need to consider: in any case you discharged your firearm, there?s an investigation, and the prosecution will look for anything that can hurt your reputation. Now when you upgrade a trigger, in any case of negligence discharge you?ll have no chance. Just pick your favorite stock guns for CCW, and leave the toys for the range.


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Any citations on this?

Changing a trigger on a good shoot doesn?t change it?s a good shoot.

Could be a civil issue, but not criminal.

[Preston-CLB]

nintense has a point regarding mods. IIRC, Massad Ayoob talks about this in one of his vids. He basically said that prosecutors will attempt to paint you as a user of a weapon made more dangerous by having been modified from stock condition.

Modifications, as long as the gun remains CA legal are not against the law. However, if one holds a CCW from an IA that restricts mods and then uses their modded weapon in an SD situation, that would put them jeopardy of losing their permit and give some prosecutor more ammo to use against you.

Whether 'the people' use that against you in a criminal trial is an open question. They would likely use it in a civil matter.

In my opinion, it's best to keep your carry weapons in 'stock' condition, except for maybe changing out iron sights for fiber optic or night sights. In any case, be sure you don't violate permit restrictions/guidelines.
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[nintense]

Any citations on this?

Changing a trigger on a good shoot doesn?t change it?s a good shoot.

Could be a civil issue, but not criminal.

It?s up to you if you want to take a chance. I only CCW guns that I love and can shoot well stock. The prosecution will go after your choice of ammo - no good choice here, as I?ve heard them saying a ball ammo, means irresponsible, and JHP are designed to kill faster? go figure.


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[L84CABO]

And yet nobody can point to an actual court case where a good shoot became a bad shoot SPECIFICALLY because of a REASONABLE modification.

Now I'm sure an aggressive and corrupt prosecutor has gone after someone for mods. You hear it happens (but yet nobody can point to an actual case). But if you're concerned about this at all, then the safest thing to do is to leave your carry gun stock.

I'm in the camp that will make a REASONABLE mod if it's a mod that will improve my chances of surviving the gunfight so I'm still alive to face whatever comes next.

Note that I said REASONABLE. Obviously if you lighten your trigger to 2 lbs and then ND into someone, that's probably not going to go well for you in court. But lightening your trigger to 4.5 lbs or 5 lbs to help insure that you hit your target and don't send rounds downrange that hit an innocent bystander? Well I can absolutely point to guns that leave their respective factories with triggers in this range.

And I certainly would't put any nonsense on our gun like "Punisher" grips and the like.

Good luck...and may the odds be ever in your favor!

[The Tiger]

I have heard all kinds of opinions but nothing definitive.

But the issue I had was the instructor?s opinion was important in the sense that he inspected the firearms during qualification, and provided the form needed to submit to LASD. He was of the opinion certain mods were no go, specifically triggers but I don?t see how he could have tested that or known. That being said he signed off on an off roster gun so go figure on that one being in compliance with CA law.

He stated with authority that the gun could not be altered from how it was when he inspected it. But again the law is somewhat vague. I would say call your instructor and see if he will sign off on your configuration.

I am not sure how he recorded anything other than serial number and model. The paperwork he gave us didn?t say anything extra. Several people had red dots. I had an aftermarket barrel which is obvious since it is a different color.

[Palmaris]

This is respond from my investigator from LAPD “Hi yes you are able to do all that as long as it is legal under the penal code.” I asked for trigger, RDS and mag release button, and general modification. This is for LAPD.

[Mute]

This is respond from my investigator from LAPD ?Hi yes you are able to do all that as long as it is legal under the penal code.? I asked for trigger, RDS and mag release button, and general modification. This is for LAPD.

You're going to get the same answer from LASD as well. As long as your modifications do not make your gun illegal or unsafe it will not likely be an issue.

[bushy_love]

I asked about this to the sheriffs dept and my instructor who has been instructing for around 15 years. Whatever mods are made to the gun at the time of inspection and qualification are how it needs to stay until the next qualification, I had an apex trigger on my shield and they both said it was fine as long as the gun was in that condition during qualification. Any mods made past that point would be required to requalify prior to being carried again. No idea how they expect to enforce that or prove the gun was in that condition during the qual as they didn’t document it in any way…

[Sig so sour of ca]

People really need to stop contacting LASD and asking your question and asking if freedom mags are legal. If you keep asking, history has shown us that what your asking for is eventually taken away.

It says on their site, as long as it's legal in the state, your good to go.

Now if you want to be that guy who puts a 2 lbs trigger in their carry gun, good on you. It's legal. It's a horrible idea but if it's a legal trigger in ca, you're GTG.

The only case I can think of someone getting prosecution was that cop that had "smile for the flash" on his AR after am OIS. That was just a stupid idea especially on a work gun.

[Quiet]

People really need to stop contacting LASD and asking your question and asking if freedom mags are legal. If you keep asking, history has shown us that what your asking for is eventually taken away.

This type of activity (people constantly asking the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department, the San Bernardino County District Attorney, and the San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors) is the reason why SBSD changed their policy from "they are legal to use" to "do not use them". This was the result of many constant questions being asked about it to all of the County agencies, which caused the San Bernardino County Counsel recommending the change and the San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors requiring that recommendation be implemented, in order to limit liability to the county while the Federal Courts decide on the issue (Duncan v Bonta).