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  • Snoopy47
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 3785

    IA questions to the neighbors

    Got my hands on the questionnaire that is sent to my neighbors.

    The IA presents it as a background check for employment.

    1) Do you know the applicant?
    2) How well do you know the applicant?
    3) Do you socialize with the application or members of her/her family?
    4) Do you have any complaints regarding the applicant?
    5) Have you ever suspected the application of any illegal activity?
    6) Are you aware of any disturbances at the residence, including parties, fights, and high vehicular or pedestrian traffic?
    7) Are you aware of anything that would disqualify the application from a position of trust?
    8) would you want the application as a neighbor in the future?
    9) Additional Comments:

    If you know of any other persons who may be able to furnish information about the applicant, would you please provide their name and contact information.

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    I personally am not concerned about any of these questions. I imagine most will feel violated.

    I think we are in for the long game.

    SB2 will eventually get greatly reigned in at the end of it all, these over zealous requirements and checks will get reigned in, all the people putting their hands in the cookie jar (trainers, and psychologists will have to face litigation eventually for rejections or letting someone inappropriate slip through the process who goes crazy and flips out or hits everyone except the suspect).

    At the end of it though, if one has a CCW in hand at the time all this flushes out then they reap the rewards for having jumped through the hoops sooner than later.

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    I think the actual content of the background will have to be very limited towards questions that only focus on absolutely any illegal activity and looking for things to make the applicant a prohibited person.
    Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.
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    JDoe
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jul 2008
    • 2403

    Originally posted by Snoopy47
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    I think the actual content of the background will have to be very limited towards questions that only focus on absolutely any illegal activity and looking for things to make the applicant a prohibited person.
    Lack of due process comes to mind when a bad neighbor can lie about an applicant without fear of consequences.
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    • #3
      Dan_Eastvale
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2013
      • 9097

      Stinking over kill questionaire makes it look like you're applying for a top level federal government security position... Ridiculous!

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      • #4
        Usual_Suspect
        Member
        • Jun 2018
        • 308

        What if your neighbor is one of those who don't get along with anyone? They can write some negative comments, and even embellish.

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        • #5
          Preston-CLB
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2018
          • 3365

          Just curious Snoopy, but what agency is your IA?

          You might want to send a copy of one of those letters to the CRPA. Your post is a very real case of over-reach.
          -P
          ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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          • #6
            dobek
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 649

            Geez, I though concealed meant concealed - I didn't think we were supposed to let everyone and their brother know that we carry.....

            I'm glad I know my neighbors...

            Steve

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            • #7
              CenterX
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 1720

              Which part of SB2 is this in?

              All that I saw for snooping was the need to have three persons who support you be listed for questioning; one being the live-in partner.
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              • #8
                9Cal_OC
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2019
                • 6647

                Originally posted by CenterX
                Which part of SB2 is this in?
                It’s not.

                Snoop’s IA added that in their own application.
                Freedom isn't free...

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                • #9
                  Snoopy47
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 3785

                  Originally posted by JDoe
                  Lack of due process comes to mind when a bad neighbor can lie about an applicant without fear of consequences.
                  But then there can be civil consequences. I imagine the IA's rejection justification has to be made available.

                  This whole CCW thing is new to California, and the process how everyone gets a CCW is going to have growing pains.
                  Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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                  • #10
                    Snoopy47
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3785

                    Originally posted by Usual_Suspect
                    What if your neighbor is one of those who don't get along with anyone? They can write some negative comments, and even embellish.
                    I think many are over thinking this.

                    I have been a Military Intelligence Analyst. I have held a Top Secret clearance in the past. These questions are nothing. Neighbors are under no obligation to answer them.

                    There is a nut case that is across the street from me, but other neighbors will validate my point of view of them.
                    Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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                    • #11
                      Snoopy47
                      Veteran Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 3785

                      Originally posted by dobek
                      Geez, I though concealed meant concealed - I didn't think we were supposed to let everyone and their brother know that we carry.....

                      I'm glad I know my neighbors...

                      Steve
                      It is presented as if I'm applying for an employment position. I've made no mention to any neighbors I'm applying for CCW.

                      Of course............. word will eventually get out that's what the IA does anyway.
                      Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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                      • #12
                        L84CABO
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 8502

                        WTF?

                        What IA is doing this? Cause that is Eff'd up! Now your neighbors know you have guns which puts you at risk if any of them are thieves.

                        Also, name one other right that is contingent on interviewing your neighbors and receiving a favorable response?
                        "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

                        Fighter Pilot

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                        • #13
                          DolphinFan
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2552

                          Questioning neighbors is NOT objective, and Bruen direction was the CCW process was to be objective not subjective.
                          10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
                          2/18/2023 - Interview set
                          4/27/2023 - Class
                          4/30/2023 - Live Scan
                          5/9/2023 - Interview
                          6/26/2023 - Approval Letter
                          8/1/2023 - Issued

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                          • #14
                            Foothills
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 918

                            Another thought...

                            Originally posted by Snoopy47
                            I think many are over thinking this.

                            I have been a Military Intelligence Analyst. I have held a Top Secret clearance in the past. These questions are nothing. Neighbors are under no obligation to answer them.

                            There is a nut case that is across the street from me, but other neighbors will validate my point of view of them.
                            It occurs to me that when people applied for "good cause" like they were being stalked, these questions could confirm that good cause.

                            "Yeah I think I've seen her ex come around and yell at her a few times."
                            CRPA Member

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                            • #15
                              Gymtech
                              Member
                              • Nov 2020
                              • 146

                              The only thing that a government agency should be informing about anybody in a neighborhood is if someone is a sex offender.
                              It's not my business to know if my neighbors want to carry....

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