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Waiting for my cool off to go ahead and pick up a g 19 and g26 after I’ll go ahead and let you guys know what the update is!
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Thanks for the info, definitely going to start off with the g19 or g26. This has been a great experience getting feedback from you guys, taking a entirely new approach to this. I’ll keep you guys posted.Comment
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Dr. Goldstein showed us the way. We dropped the ball. Pick up the ball.Comment
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In so many words, OP?s question was answered.
If the firearm is presently DROSed to you then you?re good. LA County Sherriff checked to confirm the firearms on my CCW were properly DROSed to me.
I have three firearms on my CCW (they only allow three here). Two are off roster and one of those two is an LEO only arm. But both are lawfully DROSed under my name and therefore legal for me to carry with in the bounds of the law.
On a separate note. In the CCW classes I took it was highly advised that you don?t carry a modified firearm. In the terrible and traumatizing circumstance where you find yourself drawing your CCW, should someone get hurt by your weapon?. You will be arrested and arraigned. Prosecutors and a jury will not be sympathetic to a CCW holder who made her/his firearm better (at shooting people). It was recommended that the only mods one could/should make are drop-in OEM parts that dot require machining or non-OEM mods (including aftermarket non-OEM parts).
Hope this helps.Comment
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In so many words, OP?s question was answered.
If the firearm is presently DROSed to you then you?re good. LA County Sherriff checked to confirm the firearms on my CCW were properly DROSed to me.
I have three firearms on my CCW (they only allow three here). Two are off roster and one of those two is an LEO only arm. But both are lawfully DROSed under my name and therefore legal for me to carry with in the bounds of the law.
On a separate note. In the CCW classes I took it was highly advised that you don?t carry a modified firearm. In the terrible and traumatizing circumstance where you find yourself drawing your CCW, should someone get hurt by your weapon?. You will be arrested and arraigned. Prosecutors and a jury will not be sympathetic to a CCW holder who made her/his firearm better (at shooting people). It was recommended that the only mods one could/should make are drop-in OEM parts that don?t require machining or non-OEM mods (including aftermarket non-OEM parts).
Hope this helps.
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I would like throw out one more issue not pertainent to the OP's situation. That is if you have come to California from another state and brought firearms with you you need to read this:
If you planned to use a handgun, that you had not previously declared, as your CCW carry weapon you will likely be in a world of hurts when they run the check."I am responsible for what I say, not what you understand."
or to say it another way:
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."Comment
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CLIS, congratulations on getting your CCW and enthusiastically joining the discussions. One thing CCW trainers do not share with students is their desire to not be held liable for anything their graduates might do in the future. To do this, instructors will often teach at a point which is a far more conservative level than the statutes provide.
Over the years, a number of the points you raise have been the subject of some lengthy discussions, and the following comments are a quick overview of some of observations made over that time. They are not meant to be a criticism of you nor to provide a be-all, end-all review, but may give you and others some things to think about and research further.
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No one is going to be hurt by your weapon. You are going to use your weapon to halt a threat to life or serious bodily injury. However, you are responsible for every bullet you launch, and if you injure a bystander there may be other consequences.
Not if it is a good shoot and there is no collateral damage. Law Enforcement will investigate and report to the dA who will determine if there is a charge to be placed in the criminal arena. If not, a civil case may be initiated (this is California) but has no involvement by police or prosecutors. The antagonist will be a tort attorney representing the victim of your actions or their families. Modifications such as improved sights and grips make the firearm more controllable and thus, safer. Regardless, when you plead self-defense, all other defenses fall aside. Your state of mind, changes to your weapon, etc. are irrelevant to the fact that you willfully decided to pull the trigger. Your defense is simply that the circumstances were sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person, and the party killing must have acted under the influence of such fears alone (CA PEN 198). That should have been in your training, and it is on the application for a CCW (Section 5).
However, if you modify your weapon in such a manner which leads to evidence of a negligent discharge, your self-defense plea may be unsustainable.
So your instructors did, in fact endorse modifications.
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I personally prefer a functionally un-modified firearm for CCW simply because it eliminates a whole bunch of questions. Improved sights improve accuracy making the gun safer; improved grips make the gun more controllable, making it safer. Screwing around with fire control components and other functional aspects of the gun seems problematic. Being able to (have your lawyer) state the gun is functionally un-modified from factory issue is a heck of a lot simpler than explaining what you changed and why, when and who did the work and if they were qualified, etc.
Again, welcome, and enjoy drinking from the fire hose of information here at CalGuns. (Do not drown
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I just had my interview and the detective said that off-roster handguns would not be allowed on my CCW permit. The ones in question are my CZ75 compact and my fnp9 ( i would add my g19 but as they are now getting retconned because of switches id rather not risk it )Comment
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Sometimes there is confusion between “rostered” and “registered”. The statutes now require the gun be registered to you, but not “rostered”.
The silliness of the concept of banning non-rostered guns is illustrated by the nature of the Roster. Any gun currently on roster has an expiration date of 1/1/2026. Next year’s roster will have expiration dates of 1/1/2027.
You will be issued a license for 2 years. Under your officer’s “policy” you would never be able to get a license because the gun’s roster date would be shorter than the licensure.Comment
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Regarding the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office the firearm must be registered in your name, and the caliber and serial number must match the DROS, though off-roster is ok according to my trainers (no SSE). Calibers between 380 and 45ACP only.Comment
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I think we are all saying is:
1) Read the policy of the IA
2) Read the rules
3) Don't go looking for interoperation of said rules and polices for specific words in question you are curious about if those words ARE NOT IN THE POLICEIS AND REGULATIONS.
Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.Comment
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