CCW While Visiting Alcatraz

[RMC_]

[johnparjr]

Nope

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/management/lawsandpolicies.htm

Scroll down to firearms and they specifically mentioned CCW

[RMC_]

Nope

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/management/lawsandpolicies.htm

Scroll down to firearms and they specifically mentioned CCW

Got it. Thanks!


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[Big Jake]

Concealed is concealed correct?

[mossy]

if i can piggyback, are active LEO barred form carrying while off duty? i plan to go soon and want to know if i should leave the glock at home.

[RickD427]

if i can piggyback, are active LEO barred form carrying while off duty? i plan to go soon and want to know if i should leave the glock at home.

There more to the ferry issue than meets the eye. In most cases, businesses can prohibit the carrying of firearms, but the prohibition has no force of law. All the business can do is request that you leave, and then arrest you for trespass if you fail to do so.

But the prohibition on the ferry does have the force of law, and the penalty is a year in federal prison (meaning no "Early Release"). There is no requirement for the ferry to post any warnings. The law is written such that the actual permission of the vessel's master must be given. Please refer to 18 USC 2277.

There is an exception made for law enforcement officers "in the performance of their duties."

[wilit]

There more to the ferry issue than meets the eye. In most cases, businesses can prohibit the carrying of firearms, but the prohibition has no force of law. All the business can do is request that you leave, and then arrest you for trespass if you fail to do so.

But the prohibition on the ferry does have the force of law, and the penalty is a year in federal prison (meaning no "Early Release"). There is no requirement for the ferry to post any warnings. The law is written such that the actual permission of the vessel's master must be given. Please refer to 18 USC 2277.

There is an exception made for law enforcement officers "in the performance of their duties."

While true, there is no force of law, depending on the issuing agency, they may have a stipulation about following "no firearms" signs. I know mine does. So if I'm caught in a business with a posted sign, I'm required to relinquish my license.

Again, concealed means concealed.

[GlockN'Roll]

Just lock it in your car where and when it is illegal to carry...

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[RMC_]

Concealed is concealed correct?

[CCWFacts]

There more to the ferry issue than meets the eye. In most cases, businesses can prohibit the carrying of firearms, but the prohibition has no force of law. All the business can do is request that you leave, and then arrest you for trespass if you fail to do so.

But the prohibition on the ferry does have the force of law, and the penalty is a year in federal prison (meaning no "Early Release"). There is no requirement for the ferry to post any warnings. The law is written such that the actual permission of the vessel's master must be given. Please refer to 18 USC 2277.

Good to know this! Does this apply to any and all boats / water vessels? Like a ferry to Catalina for example?

Edit: I just read the statute. It seems like it applies to basically any vessel that can carry passengers: "any vessel documented under the laws of the United States". I assume that's nearly any vessel, certainly any commercially operated vessel that takes passengers.

[RickD427]

Good to know this! Does this apply to any and all boats / water vessels? Like a ferry to Catalina for example?

Edit: I just read the statute. It seems like it applies to basically any vessel that can carry passengers: "any vessel documented under the laws of the United States". I assume that's nearly any vessel, certainly any commercially operated vessel that takes passengers.

It applies to documented vessels (as opposed to state registered vessels). It's a pretty safe bet that any vessel over 30' carrying paying passengers, or carrying more than six passengers is going to be a documented vessel.

You can also tell by looking for state registration numbers on the vessel's bow. A documented vessel will not display state numbers, although in some states they may display a state sticker. A documented vessel is prohibited from displaying state registration numbers.

It is possible, but rarely encountered, for a passenger vessel to operate under a state registration.

The Catalina ferries are all documented vessels.

[lairdb]

if i can piggyback, are active LEO barred form carrying while off duty? i plan to go soon and want to know if i should leave the glock at home.

I am not your lawyer -- but the answer would appear to be "yes". See https://le.nra.org/understanding-leosa/off-limit-areas/

[CCWFacts]

It applies to documented vessels (as opposed to state registered vessels). It's a pretty safe bet that any vessel over 30' carrying paying passengers, or carrying more than six passengers is going to be a documented vessel.

Ok, that's the part of the statute that I didn't really understand but that makes sense now. I didn't know there's a difference between a US and a state documented vessel.

I found this info about it.

A documented vessel is one that is registered by the Federal Government through the U. S. Coast Guard, rather than titled and numbered by a state. Pleasure vessels of 5 net tons and over (26 feet in length and up) may be documented, and commercial vessels 5 net tons and over must be documented

So basically small pleasure vessels and dinghies won't be documented, but nearly any commercial vessel will be.

[Mopar Guy]

Just lock it in your car where and when it is illegal to carry...



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In SF...I would recommend that set up yet have it secured in your trunk and maybe with the spare tire as an anchor. The smash and grabs are off the hook in SF. They will cut the wires. I suppose the trunk could be accessed when they break the window, yet those items tend to slide out from under the seat and exposed. Anything worth stealing is a target in that city. Best to have the car look factory fresh with nothing inside visible from windows.

[Librarian]

Took a bit to chase this down ... https://www.nps.gov/prsf/learn/manag...d-policies.htm (the earlier link posted leaves off some stuff, even though it's NPS also)

A partial list of the facilities that serve the public where firearms are prohibited include:

Alcatraz Island:

Alcatraz Cruises, LLC does not allow firearms at the Alcatraz Landing in San Francisco or on-board their vessels.

Alcatraz Island Cell house
Alcatraz Island Dock Office
Alcatraz Island Bldg. 64