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  • pblawman
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 22

    How would you evaluate this interaction?

    I'm still in the process of getting my CCW, so I'm thinking through how to respond in the event that I ever am in a situation where I may need to draw my firearm. There's a lot going on here, so I'll try to think through what I might have done (or how I would hope to respond) in such a situation. Here are some of my thoughts.

    1. I would try to avoid situations where I would ever need to use my firearm. That means I would stay away from protests that have a potential to become violent. (Not victim blaming...just thinking that it's the responsible thing to do if you're carrying a lethal weapon).

    2. I couldn't see what was in front of him, but if he had a clear exit, he should have taken it. At the point he exited the vehicle he put himself in a situation where a confrontation was more likely. And as far as I could tell, it was only property damage at that point, and no property damage is worth a human life. That's what insurance is for. Get out and make a police report and live another day.

    3. After exiting, he was not aggressive. He appeared to be assessing the damage to his vehicle (which was being further damaged). He did not draw in response to the property damage. At the point he was sprayed with mace and being approached by the crowd, it would be reasonable to be in fear for his life or safety. I think that drawing it and having it in a low ready was warranted. His shout to stay away was appropriate and moving back to the driver's side of his truck indicated he was looking to leave.

    4. It's never a good idea to turn your back on the crowd, so negative points there.

    5. He dropped the weapon when the police instructed him to, although the way he extended his arm to put it in the back of his truck could have been misconstrued given the angle from which the officer approached him.

    6. His compliance after the fact was exemplary. He didn't argue or plead his case while the officer was trying to establish order. Better to comply and wait your turn in that situation.

    Any other thoughts?

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  • #2
    Big Jake
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2009
    • 12509

    There is no way to answer your question, however, I will give you some sound advice. Make sure you ALWAYS obey the four rules of stupid. FYI, I am not calling you stupid. This is actually a real thing and it is called just that.



    The four rules of stupid are as follows....


    1. Do not go to stupid places.

    2. At stupid times of the day or night.

    3. Where there is a good chance that there will be stupid people.

    4. Doing stupid things.

    I hope that helps. carry safely!
    Last edited by Big Jake; 03-30-2021, 3:38 PM.
    "Life Is Hard. It's Harder When You're Stupid"-John Wayne!

    "Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder"-Michael Savage!

    "The Object of Life Is Not To Be On The Side Of The Majority, But To Escape Finding Oneself In The Ranks Of The Insane"-Marcus Aurelius!

    "Dr. Thomas Sowell Is A National Treasure"-Big Jake!

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    • #3
      Librarian
      Admin and Poltergeist
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 44661

      See also the thread in OT on that incident.
      ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

      Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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      • #4
        Vasir
        • Jul 2019
        • 192

        Originally posted by Big Jake
        The four rules of stupid are as follows....


        1. Do not go to stupid places.

        2. At stupid times of the day or night.

        3. Where there is a good chance that there will be stupid people.

        4. Doing stupid things.

        I hope that helps. carry safely!
        I never heard this but i like it!
        The main thing is to keep the main thing, the main thing.
        -BK
        Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
        -Arthur C. Clarke

        Need a refi? PM me. My family owns a lender- I personally will make sure you are getting the best deal.

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        • #5
          glock21sf
          Member
          • May 2014
          • 318

          Originally posted by Vasir
          I never heard this but i like it!
          You can usually break 1 or 2 of these rules and be OK if you are vigilant. Your chances for problems increase exponentially when breaking all 4 at once. Some of us break 3 daily for employment reasons and hope the stupid people don't show up. Sometimes, things happen.

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          • #6
            LoadedM333
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1691

            Originally posted by glock21sf
            You can usually break 1 or 2 of these rules and be OK if you are vigilant. Your chances for problems increase exponentially when breaking all 4 at once. Some of us break 3 daily for employment reasons and hope the stupid people don't show up. Sometimes, things happen.
            NRA LifeTime Member

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            • #7
              Dano3467
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2013
              • 7381

              Big Jake is correct.

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              • #8
                Bunnysloper
                Member
                • Aug 2020
                • 313

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                • #9
                  pblawman
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 22

                  Originally posted by Big Jake
                  There is no way to answer your question, however, I will give you some sound advice. Make sure you ALWAYS obey the four rules of stupid. FYI, I am not calling you stupid. This is actually a real thing and it is called just that.



                  The four rules of stupid are as follows....


                  1. Do not go to stupid places.

                  2. At stupid times of the day or night.

                  3. Where there is a good chance that there will be stupid people.

                  4. Doing stupid things.

                  I hope that helps. carry safely!
                  That is a great summary of rules to live by...carrying or not.

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                  • #10
                    Librarian
                    Admin and Poltergeist
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 44661

                    I bought a book a little while ago - a collection of essays/anecdotes edited by Marc MacYoung, Beyond The Picket Fence. (Life outside the middle class bubble) that goes into 'do not do ...' things for the (relatively) innocent.

                    I particularly liked the 'shift change' analogy used in a couple of the pieces. Some places and events are pretty safe - part of the time. But when you notice the families with children are leaving, and the crowd is getting to groups of 18-30 year olds, time to go.
                    Last edited by Librarian; 03-31-2021, 2:12 PM.
                    ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                    • #11
                      bk23103
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 1088

                      He shouldn't have been there, and he should keep his opinions to himself in these polarized times. Also, carry with one in the tube!

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