Single shot exemption denial

[Verndogg]

I'm going to be THAT guy and revive this thread if it'll let me..
With the new CA320's circulating, those of us who wish to register it on our CCW are most likely going to have to get their Single Shot registration transferred to Semi-Auto.

My questions are 1) Is Pawn/Redeem still the best way to achieve? 2) Does Brookhurst Pawn in Anaheim still do them, and if so, can we be straight forward with them on what we need to accomplish or are we to keep quiet and just pawn it without mention of our predicament? and Finally 3) Does the VOLREG/CFARS process work for these Single Shot CA320's or is that for SSE only? Thanks everyone!

[ASD1]

My questions are 1) Is Pawn/Redeem still the best way to achieve?




3) Does the VOLREG/CFARS process work for these Single Shot CA320's or is that for SSE only? Thanks everyone!

#1 YES

#3 YES but can take 6-12 Months to up date

[CSACANNONEER]

I'm going to be THAT guy and revive this thread if it'll let me..
With the new CA320's circulating, those of us who wish to register it on our CCW are most likely going to have to get their Single Shot registration transferred to Semi-Auto.

My questions are 1) Is Pawn/Redeem still the best way to achieve? 2) Does Brookhurst Pawn in Anaheim still do them, and if so, can we be straight forward with them on what we need to accomplish or are we to keep quiet and just pawn it without mention of our predicament? and Finally 3) Does the VOLREG/CFARS process work for these Single Shot CA320's or is that for SSE only? Thanks everyone!

I wouldn't worry about it. I know plenty of people who currently have SSE'd firearms listed on their valid CA LTCs.

[Ca2AZ]

#1 YES

#3 YES but can take 6-12 Months to up date

Assuming the firearm is off roster, does the Pawn/Return method work for non-LEO? I'm picturing a scenario where the pawn broker doesn't return the firearm because the person is not exempt.

[Quiet]

Assuming the firearm is off roster, does the Pawn/Return method work for non-LEO? I'm picturing a scenario where the pawn broker doesn't return the firearm because the person is not exempt.

A person pawning a handgun is considered an exempt person for the purpose of having the handgun that they pawned returned to them. [PC 32110(e),(f)]



Penal Code 32110
Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the following:
(e) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, to its owner where that firearm was initially delivered in the circumstances set forth in subdivision (a), (d), (f), or (i).
(f) The delivery of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, for the purpose of a consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan.

[Ca2AZ]

A person pawning a handgun is considered an exempt person for the purpose of having the handgun that they pawned returned to them. [PC 32110(e),(f)]



Penal Code 32110
Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the following:
(e) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, to its owner where that firearm was initially delivered in the circumstances set forth in subdivision (a), (d), (f), or (i).
(f) The delivery of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, for the purpose of a consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan.

Great information as usual, thanks!

[Verndogg]

I wouldn't worry about it. I know plenty of people who currently have SSE'd firearms listed on their valid CA LTCs.

I've read instances on calguns of CCW holders in OC where I am being denied their single shot handguns so I just want to avoid that and get it done right if I can, which sounds like I'm able to so thats good!

Im still wondering if I need to be discreet about what I need accomplished, or if I can be straight forward with the pawn broker? They don't care why we're pawning something I imagine? Would they turn me away after finding out my motives?

[SkyHawk]

I wouldn't worry about it. I know plenty of people who currently have SSE'd firearms listed on their valid CA LTCs.

It all depends on the issuing agency. I know plenty of people who can't list them, and plenty of people who did and then later had them booted off when the IA changed policy. I had to stop carrying my old LCP because of it.

[CSACANNONEER]

It all depends on the issuing agency. I know plenty of people who can't list them, and plenty of people who did and then later had them booted off when the IA changed policy. I had to stop carrying my old LCP because of it.

The premise of this thread is that CA DOJ is denying SSE'd firearms. That simply isn't the case. I do agree that individual IAs have or have had their own policies against them. My IA had a policy against them several years ago. As far as changing how an SSE'd firearm was originally DROSed, like this thread explains, there are ways to do that. However, the DROS system does keep info in perpetuity and the state or an IA can still research a particular firearm to see if it was EVER PPTed and, if they want, can deny it even though it is currently not transferred as a SSE.

[AJP]

Very helpful thread, thanks.

Similar situation with my Walther PPQ that I originally purchased as a SSE back 2012. In my case the Make was listed as S&W (the U.S. distributor at the time) on the DROS. And LAPD flagged it for my CCW because it's technically a Walther - and the DROS needs to be updated.

Anyone have any experience or a recommendation for an LA-area pawn return shop?

[Justintoxicated]

All my recent CCW's are single shot exemptions...

I had trouble adding my Walther PPS due to serial number being incorrect (missing a digit) durring dros, which is the shame, because it is my best CCW and the one I have practiced with the most.
When I sent photos of my pistol to the sherrif you can see all 3 serial numbers but also both wlather and S&W markings, which further confused them, they even asked if I had built it myself. Not knocking the department, they didn't come after me or anything, and even suggested I contact my FFL to see if I could get it corrected so they could add it to my permit.

My old FFL no longer sells guns but they suggested I simply file a report through CFARS, Still waiting to see if it works, otherwise I will try the pawn shop thing.

[Verndogg]

Im still wondering if I need to be discreet about what I need accomplished, or if I can be straight forward with the pawn broker? They don't care why we're pawning something I imagine? Would they turn me away after finding out my motives?

Btw, DO NOT MENTION YOUR INTENTIONS WHEN PAWNING!!!! After calling Brookhurst Pawn to see if they'd do my SSE conversion pawn they said to ~

"Tell whoever's sending all these jobs here to stop! Everyone keeps coming here to do these singleshot conversions and we just want to stay on the up and up.. I'd suggest the next pawn shop you call to just stay discreet about your intentions. Im sorry we can't help you."

So whoever said "their Sheriff sends everyone there" is full of sheet!!

[FreshTapCoke]

Anyone have any experience or a recommendation for an LA-area pawn return shop?

I recently went to Sartori Pawn in Torrance to pawn my m&p shield and have it DROS’d back to me after I paid back the money they loaned me. They were extremely helpful and professional; first pawn shop I’ve been to that made me feel comfortable.

They’re happy to have more people come in.

[anthracite]

Btw, DO NOT MENTION YOUR INTENTIONS WHEN PAWNING!!!! After calling Brookhurst Pawn to see if they'd do my SSE conversion pawn they said to ~

"Tell whoever's sending all these jobs here to stop! Everyone keeps coming here to do these singleshot conversions and we just want to stay on the up and up.. I'd suggest the next pawn shop you call to just stay discreet about your intentions. Im sorry we can't help you."

So whoever said "their Sheriff sends everyone there" is full of sheet!!

You literally mentioned your intentions on a public forum for anyone to read and then test that location.

[SkyHawk]

The premise of this thread is that CA DOJ is denying SSE'd firearms. That simply isn't the case.

I don't believe the premise of the thread is CA DOJ denying anything. The premise of the thread is "authorities" denying or generally just being denied. The OP (3 years ago when this was a fresh and less understood issue) was confused about who was doing it and just said DOJ. But for many people who don't geek out on this stuff like we do, DOJ just generically means Law Enforcement.

The CA DOJ maintains a firearms registry and that registry is being used to deny the carry of weapons listed as single shot in that registry. Also it has been inferred in other threads that DOJ is the one pressuring IAs to adopt this policy against the carry of guns listed as single shot. It is unlikely these IAs all dreamed this policy up independently.

So in my opinion, yes the CA DOJ has hands in this. Technically DOJ may not be doing it, but practically they are. And for purposes of this thread (and more importantly for the persons affected by it) the technical difference doesn't matter. The only way to fix it is to fix the listing in AFIS or choose another gun to carry.