How concealed?

[wichlaz]

How concealed is concealed?

No matter what kind of holster I try or clothing I wear...unless I put it in a thigh holster under a full skirt....there is some degree of printing when I move. It's not an obvious outline of a firearm, but it's also not fully concealed. I have a lumpy mom-bod.


side bar: WTH is up with kydex holsters looking like a gun even when empty? Why can't they smooth that out on the outside?

[HeartlessBee]

Me too.


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[wichlaz]

Is there anything in the law about HOW concealed it needs to be? or are we okay as long as the gun itself is blocked from view by fabric?

[SnWnMe]

I don't think printing is the same as brandishing although you might get the cops called on you by some soccer Mom.

[Den60]

How concealed is concealed?

No matter what kind of holster I try or clothing I wear...unless I put it in a thigh holster under a full skirt....there is some degree of printing when I move. It's not an obvious outline of a firearm, but it's also not fully concealed. I have a lumpy mom-bod.


side bar: WTH is up with kydex holsters looking like a gun even when empty? Why can't they smooth that out on the outside?

Use Hillary's designer. You could hide a howitzer in that.

[Dvrjon]

"Substantial Concealment" is important. The case law is based on people illegally concealing weapons, but arguing that, because the weapon could be seen, it wasn't concealed. In CCW, the reverse applies. Even if the gun can be discerned or is out right visible, it can still be substantially concealed, meeting the test for concealment. Some guidance from case law found in the Wiki:

People v. Fuentes , 64 Cal.App.3d 953 (1976)

Fuentes contends that there was no evidence to show that the dirk was concealed and argues that "[t]here is not even a suggestion in the record that the dirk was ever anywhere but in plain sight." The dirk obviously was not in plain sight. This is not a situation where the weapon was carried openly in a sheath or attached to a belt. fn. 1 The dirk was in Fuentes' waistband. [1] The mere fact that some portion of the handle may have been visible makes it no less a concealed weapon. A defendant need not be totally successful in concealing a dirk to be guilty of violation of Penal Code section 12020, subdivision (a). (See People v. Hale, 43 Cal.App.3d 353, 356 [117 Cal.Rptr. 697]; People v. May, 33 Cal.App.3d 888, 891 [109 Cal.Rptr. 396]; People v. Tarkington, 273 Cal.App.2d 466, 469 [78 Cal.Rptr. 149].)

And,

People v. May, 33 Cal.App.3d 888 (1973)

In People v. Tarkington, 273 Cal.App.2d 466 [78 Cal.Rptr. 149], a deputy sheriff during a routine bar check observed what appeared to be an outline of a handgun under appellant's shirt. The deputy felt the object which appeared to be a gun then removed it from the appellant's shirt. It was a loaded .32 pistol.

In holding that the weapon was concealed, the court stated at page 469: "We note, also, that appellant's ineptness in accomplishing complete concealment of the weapon did not relieve him from commission of the crime in the presence of the officers. (See People v. Linden, 185 Cal.App.2d 752 [8 Cal.Rptr. 640]; People v. McFarren, 155 Cal.App.2d 383 [317 P.2d 998].)"

[Chris Geiger]

I have a box full of holsters but 99% of the time I use a belly band from the glock store. It hides the best and is the most comfortable for me for all day carry.

[Kate]

How concealed is concealed?

No matter what kind of holster I try or clothing I wear...unless I put it in a thigh holster under a full skirt....there is some degree of printing when I move. It's not an obvious outline of a firearm, but it's also not fully concealed. I have a lumpy mom-bod.


side bar: WTH is up with kydex holsters looking like a gun even when empty? Why can't they smooth that out on the outside?

Having mentioned wearing a skirt, you might look in the Ladies Forum. There have been a few discussions on this very topic in the past 12 months...

Kate

[E Michael]

What guns are on your permit, I often wear a dickies button up shirt over a normal shirt. It helps with concealment. If weather permits you can wear a light cardigan and it should have the same affect.

[djslik408]

^^^ i was going to ask the same question.. Secondly how are you dressed?

[FresnoRob]

How concealed is concealed?

No matter what kind of holster I try or clothing I wear...unless I put it in a thigh holster under a full skirt....there is some degree of printing when I move. It's not an obvious outline of a firearm, but it's also not fully concealed. I have a lumpy mom-bod.


side bar: WTH is up with kydex holsters looking like a gun even when empty? Why can't they smooth that out on the outside?

[Mayor McRifle]

Is there anything in the law about HOW concealed it needs to be? or are we okay as long as the gun itself is blocked from view by fabric?

Just have it covered by something.

[Humboldt Leatherneck]

Just tell the nosy folks, that it is a colostomy bag!

You may find this video of how many concealed firearms that this woman is carrying very helpful!!

[SoCalJ]

I'm impressed!

[Citation650]

How old is that Costco card? [emoji57]