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[oxzilla]

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[Librarian]

I'm no lawyer so I'm just trying to get some info on this...

If a CCW holder walks into a county doctor's office or county clinic or the county hospital with a firearm or a knife >4 inches, this should be ok according to the language in 171b right?

In summary, it says a blade >4 inches or fixed blades can't be brought in: (3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded position by the use of one or two hands.

However, further down:
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(3) A person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6.


Thus, I understand this as saying if one has a CCW one may bring a firearm or blade >4 inches into a doctor's office or county hospital. That's why many of us who work for the county have a "shall not carry at work" clause as to nullify the ability to bring a firearm to a county building. How about a knife >4 inch blade? Would the "shall not carry at work" clause also nullify the ability to carry a knife which is not listed on the CCW permit? Does this make sense?

Full penal code here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ectionNum=171b

See the emphasis. In no way is a knife 'the firearm'.

Idiotic, but this is California.

[back4more70]

See the emphasis. In no way is a knife 'the firearm'.

Idiotic, but this is California.

Yep, my permit says "License to Carry Concealed Pistol, Revolver or Other Firearm..."

[Librarian]

You want to apply logic to CA gun laws? There's a perilous path ...

[ACfixer]

My CCW instructor said (in his opinion, not legal advice) that our permit didn't change knife laws one bit. I've read that little hiccup in the wording before and I can see your argument, but I don't have any reason to test those waters so I let it go.

Why not just carry a nice spring assisted folder?

[Quiet]

CA LTC permit only provides exemption to the firearm listed on the permit.
It does not exempt any non-listed firearm or any type of other weapon (knife, baton, etc).

[Mag+1]

...if one had a ccw, then one should be able to carry a knife...

In your CCW class, did they make you stab a dummy multiple times with a knife to gauge your proficiency/accuracy?

[Mag+1]

...if one had a ccw, then one should be able to carry a knife.

In your CCW class, did they make you stab a dummy multiple times with a knife to gauge your proficiency/accuracy?

Why do internet post always have to end up with some form of useless smart @$$ commentary...

Because I read a silly post someone wrote that implied CCW holders are given a free pass to carry knifes. A silly comment deserves a silly reply.

[Old_Bald_Guy]

CCW Firearm or Knife in a County Building

I'm no lawyer so I'm just trying to get some info on this...



If a CCW holder walks into a county doctor's office or county clinic or the county hospital with a firearm or a knife >4 inches, this should be ok according to the language in 171b right? .

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Addressing the firearm part of the question:
Nope. Not if there's a county ordinance against carrying in county buildings. No state preemption of county and city ordinances.


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[Mag+1]

Haha have you read the penal code? Or have you Googled that penal code and read the commentary where lawyers have talked about the confusion in that penal code. It's obviously a complicated topic and none of us sideline lawyers are going to be able to figure it out would it be great if a second amendment supporter who also understands law, AKA a lawyer might read my original post and provide some useful knowledge or case law. That is why this post was started

Oh, I'm with ya, @oxzilla

[Librarian]

Related stupidity: As the story goes, some infantry-types (as, a company or so) were going home on a commercial airliner. They supposedly were allowed to bring their unloaded weapons, but the airline balked at the knives.

Maybe apocryphal; I can't find a web reference to that story tonight.

[ACfixer]

Thanks for the input. Right now I carry a zero tolerance blade which is absolutely wonderful and lightning fast. But the blade length is 4.1 inches. So that's what I'm trying to figure out - whether or not I would be exempt from the 4-inch rule given the wording above or if I should not deal with it and just buy one of their 3.25 inch blades.

Interesting. I wonder how many states/counties etc. have the > 4" stuff in their rules. 4.1" seems like an odd number for the blade length if the > 4" thing is prevalent. I mean why not just make it 3.999" to be legal?

[M1NM]

but in my logic class in higher education they taught me to think. Why do internet post always have to end up with some form of useless smart @$$ commentary from a troll?

It's obvious your logic class didn't teach you to think of all scenarios. Next time consider a critical thinking class.

[socalblue]

Related stupidity: As the story goes, some infantry-types (as, a company or so) were going home on a commercial airliner. They supposedly were allowed to bring their unloaded weapons, but the airline balked at the knives.

Maybe apocryphal; I can't find a web reference to that story tonight.

True. When my nephews unit it came home on a charter flight from Iraq the weapons all went into the overhead bins. Blades had to be placed into a locked box in the cargo hold.

[Cokebottle]

In your CCW class, did they make you stab a dummy multiple times with a knife to gauge your proficiency/accuracy?

Well... If I had a bayonet on my pistol, I could have poked 10 holes in the target and passed