Interesting after action report of the use of a gun for defense of others

[Sohum63]

I remember seeing this around the web when it happened, I'm sure it was on here somewhere but this is a good article covering some thoughts of a man who pulled his gun to stop an assault. His revelations about if he would do it again are some good food for thought. After seeing some of the bs he had to go through including the victim he saved turning on him in court I don't blame his reaction at all and will keep it in mind in the future and in this case a shot was never fired.

https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/article/lessons-learned-good-samaritan-attempt/

[2k1typeSH]

That's terrible that he had to go through all that for doing the right thing.

One of the most important take aways I got from my CCW class was "don't make their problem your problem." Be a good witness and call the police.

It sucks, but it's how society is now. Even if you act properly, you will still face skepticism and adversity.

[sixoclockhold]

Personally I don't think he needed to pull the weapon at the point he did.

He could have gotten the perp's attention screaming commands and using a phone to video tape the incident. You'd be surprised how people begin to react when there is no escape from video or pictures. This could have stopped the man's rage on her and maybe brought it to you but come on, you have a deadly weapon and are hopefully trained.

When you go to bust up physical altercations you place yourself in the fight, have a plan. If the guy turns on you, hop in the car and floor it out of there. By then your wife got 911 rolling and no gun appeared.

Chances are the dude is now madder at you than his old lady he was ground pounding. You can keep an eye on him from that point from a distance.

I think the guy was acting a little popo ish.

[hermosabeach]

Good find OP

[Mottmcfly]

Thank you for posting this. Certainly food for thought. Sobering food...

[cvigue]

Never get in the middle of a domestic dispute. In fact, don't insert yourself in other people's problems, call 911.


Also, the sensation of weightlessness is not a function of altitude.

[CSACANNONEER]

Be a good witness until you know the players. What if the female "victim" was actually the bad guy and the male was a cop attempting to arrest her for pulling a gun on him?

[nosuchagency]

while taking a class several years ago the instructor provided a copy of an article written by Evan Marshall titled "The Dangers of Intervention." anyone having picked up a gun rag in past couple decades is familiar with Evan & his credentials. the article was written well over a decade ago and frankly is just as relevant as if it had been written last week. whenever i come across such a thread on any of my boards, i make it a point to reread his article that takes all of a few minutes.

not certain about policy on direct linking to another forum, but the article is easily found via search.

regarding this gentleman's ordeal, if you take nothing else from it, give serious consideration to researching the options out there for ccw insurance. considering what we spend on the gear side, practicing, donations, etc. on an annual basis, it's a relatively small expense in comparison.

[SWalt]

Thanks OP. Good write up and highlights how your life changes after you make the decision to draw your weapon. Something to really consider.

[MrOrange]

I remember seeing this around the web when it happened, I'm sure it was on here somewhere but this is a good article covering some thoughts of a man who pulled his gun to stop an assault. His revelations about if he would do it again are some good food for thought. After seeing some of the bs he had to go through including the victim he saved turning on him in court I don't blame his reaction at all and will keep it in mind in the future and in this case a shot was never fired.
https://www.personaldefensenetwork.c...ritan-attempt/

Ask an experienced city cop how likely that is to happen, and I'd be surprised if it was less than 90% of the time.

Now to sound really calloused, in pretty much every abusive relationship, the victim is there because that's all they know. If you could magically wish the abuser into the cornfield, the victim into counseling, and give her a couple million dollars to start over again, she'll likely find another abuser in a matter of weeks if not days.

Anyway, 20/20 hindsight and all that, I probably would've stopped, had the wife call the cops direct (not 911), and went to suggest to the abuser that perhaps the victim had had enough. I wouldn't have pulled a weapon unless the abuser attacked me. And I sure wouldn't have been giving interviews to the media.

A big take away for me was A-A-Ron's repeated statements that he should've had a lawyer present when dealing with the cops; I'll bet most of us wouldn't have thought it was necessary when there was no shooting and you weren't being charged with anything.

I noticed our protagonist doesn't answer his own question, would he do it again. Maybe he can't bring himself to say it in public.

[Sunday]

The best fight is the fight you avoid ! Sensi Romeo

[sixoclockhold]

Never get in the middle of a domestic dispute. In fact, don't insert yourself in other people's problems, call 911.


Also, the sensation of weightlessness is not a function of altitude.

The sensation of weightlessness can be a function of the rapid loss of altitude.

Get your tickets to the moon, and around we go. Elon Musk has nothing on Jules Verne except better video googles.

[Sohum63]

He mentioned he wished he would have had his wife usher the women to safety with her but I have saw multiple videos and more accounts of the abused not waiting till court to turn on her rescuers but do it on the spot sometimes with deadly results, I certainly wouldn't want my s.o. Taking that risk as good of an idea as it may sound in this case it probably isn't worth it. Probably having the wife keep a close eye in her jus in case she decides to turn on one of them.
He also mentioned tv interviews, probably thinking getting some advice on how to handle himself was enough. I totally see wanting to use your 15 min to paint gun owners in the best light but no amount of preparation can outmatch someone with an agenda and the ability to edit the tape, people that preach responsible gun ownership for a living have had their words twisted so as much as I wish otherwise I'm sure I couldn't do any better. It is unfortunate that there is more danger to enter intervineing than the physical risk but that just is how it is. I agree with the above that the best bet may either be do no more than call for help or at most suggest they stop their actions from cover without showing your weapon, that way if they turn on you you are defending yourself and not a stranger.
I just figured it was some good stuff to think about even if there are down sides to all the answers.

[cvigue]

Domestic disputes are a nightmare for cops with training and force of numbers. CHL doesn't make one a cop.

The sensation of weightlessness can be a function of the rapid loss of altitude.

Coincident with is not the same as a function of.