San Bernardino

[451040]

Yes, I was told to not worry about these sections and they crossed them out at my interview.

Thanks for the clarification, sir.

[branden.w]

Anybody had to go through Fontana PD before going to SB Sheriff? Their application has a requirement for three letters of character reference. Is this still required?

[jww]

Anybody had to go through Fontana PD before going to SB Sheriff? Their application has a requirement for three letters of character reference. Is this still required?

I had to get a letter of denial from Fontana PD. I dont remember the exact numbers but I had to give them 2 or 3 checks and 2 passports photos. They sent everything back with the letter in about 30 days.

[crazy_memo]

Hey guys, I'm finally going to apply for my CCW permit, and I have a couple of questions.

1) Regarding "good cause" as far as personal protection goes, would it be a good idea to include a home invasion that happened to me last year?

2) I am self-employed and usually travel with fairly large amounts of cash on my person. How would/should I go about proving that to them?

3) I'm not very clear on the residency requirements. I've lived in SB Co for over 10 years, but I do not have an official rent/lease agreement as I still live with my parents. Will this be a problem?

4)Last but not least, I have long hair and it is usually in braids. I does not look crazy or sloppy IMHO. My question is, will I be judged on my appearance?

Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys for everything you do!

[CitaDeL]

Hey guys, I'm finally going to apply for my CCW permit, and I have a couple of questions.

1) Regarding "good cause" as far as personal protection goes, would it be a good idea to include a home invasion that happened to me last year?

2) I am self-employed and usually travel with fairly large amounts of cash on my person. How would/should I go about proving that to them?

3) I'm not very clear on the residency requirements. I've lived in SB Co for over 10 years, but I do not have an official rent/lease agreement as I still live with my parents. Will this be a problem?

4)Last but not least, I have long hair and it is usually in braids. I does not look crazy or sloppy IMHO. My question is, will I be judged on my appearance?

Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys for everything you do!

1) A home invasion robbery wouldnt have any relevance to carry licensing unless you could make a connection between being victimized by the assailants while away from your home (where it is lawful for you to be armed without a license).

2 + 3) It is a crime to lie on the application. PC26180(a) And no other forms or documentation may be required of carry license applicants. PC26175(g)

So, where does that put us in proving residency? I think it depends on an applicants willingness to accept some risk. If you want to follow their unlawful demands, you could have a letter drafted by your parents indicating that is where you reside- or provide some other bill with your name and address on it. But you are not legally bound to supply any of that under the statute.

4) Issuing agencies need something more substantial than appearance to deny someone a license to carry- Specifically- 1) good cause, 2) good moral character and 3) residency. If you were denied on the basis of what you looked like, it would without any doubt, be an epic lawsuit.

[branden.w]

I had to get a letter of denial from Fontana PD. I dont remember the exact numbers but I had to give them 2 or 3 checks and 2 passports photos. They sent everything back with the letter in about 30 days.

PM sent

[tylenol9999]

15 day's left on my 90 day wait post interview, keeping my fingers crossed.

[Sleighter]

I'm in a bit of a quandry. I have an interview scheduled for May, but my wife and I now plan to move out of SB county in July 2014. I'm trying to weight the cost and time invested with the benefit.

1) How long after your interview is the process until you have the permit in hand and you're able to carry?

2) What other costs are required to obtain your permit beyond the 2 money orders? ($108, $29)

3) Would you continue to apply knowing you're moving in a year?

[crazy_memo]

Thank you very much for the input!

1) What about examples of violent crimes in my neighborhood? There has been a rise in shootings and robberies over the past year.

2) I don't understand. Are you saying I'm lying about the cash thing? I buy and sell cars for a living (requiring me to transport sizeable amounts of cash), thus my question. What I meant to ask is, how they would follow up on that. (Seeing as I'm my own boss.)

4) I know that legally, on paper they can't do it. But I meant it in more of person to person kind of way. (What they "do" and what they actually do.) They probably won't tell you that you were denied because of your appearance, but they do deny/approve at their discretion right? Do you honestly feel they would not base any judgment on one's appearance whatsoever?

[CitaDeL]

Thank you very much for the input!

1) What about examples of violent crimes in my neighborhood? There has been a rise in shootings and robberies over the past year.

2) I don't understand. Are you saying I'm lying about the cash thing? I buy and sell cars for a living (requiring me to transport sizeable amounts of cash), thus my question. What I meant to ask is, how they would follow up on that. (Seeing as I'm my own boss.)

4) I know that legally, on paper they can't do it. But I meant it in more of person to person kind of way. (What they "do" and what they actually do.) They probably won't tell you that you were denied because of your appearance, but they do deny/approve at their discretion right? Do you honestly feel they would not base any judgment on one's appearance whatsoever?

I'm not completely familiar with SBSO's acceptable good cause statements. In my view, detailing an account of a home invasion may not help good cause as you are able to carry a loaded weapon however you like inside your home. I would recommend examining other sucessful applicants good cause and emulating their statement.

I am not calling you a liar, but if any issuing agency requires anything other than the application and initial portion of the fees, they are essentially investigating the potential of a crime when you filled out your application.

What you say on the application must be true under penalty of law. This puts the burden of proving any of the statements are false upon those investigating your background.

You still have 4th amendment rights and have the right to be secure in all your papers and effects- and you still possess 5th amendment rights in this regard, and cannot be compelled to self-incriminate. So one can, for the sake of expediancy, surrender whatever documentation the S/O wants to prove their innocence to obtain their license or assert the S/O is making unlawful demands and treat the issuing agency as hostile to your rights by refusing consent to the seizure of your papers and assert your right to remain silent.

An issuing agency may deny an application for any reason they like... as long as it is for good cause, good moral character, or residency. Their discretion, even under statute, is not unlimited. What is more, is that with SB610, the agency is required to provide a reason from their policy they denied you in the written notification. So, if they denied you for having long hair, or tattoos, or brown skin, they certainly wouldnt be able to say so- but they would have to articulate a reason stemming from good cause, good moral character or residency and be able to back up their contentions in court.

Bear in mind, I am not an attorney and I am not offering legal advice- just being informative.

[barracudamuscle]

Can someone who's gone through recently with the expanded good cause requirement PM me? I'd like a proof read of my statement for my upcoming interview or better yet a brief summary of yours to make sure I have the required content.

[letsgosteelers]

The election is in 2014. I am running for sheriff in San Bernardino County. I will have a shall issue policy. Those who are felons, mentally ill and gangsters need not apply. San Bernardino County has 2,800 active CCW permits. During Hoops term from June 2010 to June 2012 he has denied/revoked 149 permits and issued 469 new permits. I hope to make us the leader in California regarding your 2nd Amendment rights. www.sheriffpaul2014.com

I'm surprised no one commented on this post. Anyone know anything further about Sheriff Paul??

[kel-tec-innovations]

The election is in 2014. I am running for sheriff in San Bernardino County. I will have a shall issue policy. Those who are felons, mentally ill and gangsters need not apply. San Bernardino County has 2,800 active CCW permits. During Hoops term from June 2010 to June 2012 he has denied/revoked 149 permits and issued 469 new permits. I hope to make us the leader in California regarding your 2nd Amendment rights. www.sheriffpaul2014.com

Awesome, I follow his newsletters. Hopefully he gets elected.

[Seiran]

I just called the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department and they told me that the 4 references are still required but the 3 reference letters are not. Also "Personal Protection/Self Defense" are not accepted by themselves. You have to articulate why you feel you need to protect yourself.

[bigdaddyb]

Any one who recently went through the process could please pm me what they used as good cause. I am getting ready to apply and want a smooth process. Thank in advance. Or if you can elaborate on my good cause, I can pm it to you.
Thanks