Alameda

[RipVanWinkle]

Quick google-ing brought up a few items from calccw.com

CCW issuance 1987 - 2006

he (Ahern) is willing to allow a second gun, though a condition is that you need to score >90% at range qualification with your current gun.

Interesting...

If Sheriff Ahern is willing to allow a second gun on a license then he must be doing so by violating his own written policy, which is very specific:

"Only ONE weapon will be authorized on the license and must be the same weapon used in the safety course and range qualification. Your firearm must be of .38 caliber or larger, two- to six-inch barrel revolver, or a pistol (semiautomatic), 9mm caliber or larger. A.41 or .44 magnum will not be authorized. Your weapon must be capable of a minimum of 5 shots."

Other ambiguities are in here. Does this rule out .380, which at 0.355 is the same "caliber" as 9 mm, although a less powerful cartridge? Probably. I guess .44 special and .45 ACP are O.K., mouse guns are out. What about .454 Cassull? This sort of incomplete exclusion of selected cartridges always results in placing the approval of the firearm at the whim of the sheriff.

Also why allow a second gun with a 90% on the current gun? Shouldn't you just have to qualify with the second one?

[RipVanWinkle]

[obeygiant]

Brandon, et all;

So here is the "Master Fee Schedule" for the City of Newark (in Alameda County).

The fee for a CCW license (apparently this indicates that the city does issue, unless they defer to ACSO).

And I'll be looking around for an application or policy.

I can't find a policy or application. PRAR anyone?

Erik.

No need to PRAR them or any of the other counties as CGF has already done this. CGF currently has:

• fee schedule
• policy
• forms
• instructions
• and anything else related to ccw.

that being said, your passion and enthusiasm will be put to good use.

[Sick Boy]

Wow, this is getting exciting.

Hopefully they can knock down the fee though, I could buy a car for $2500.


Subscribed and patiently awaiting further news!

[Ksmash01]

Question:

Is there a limit to how many times you can apply for a CCW?

[RipVanWinkle]

Wow, this is getting exciting.

Hopefully they can knock down the fee though, I could buy a car for $2500.


Subscribed and patiently awaiting further news!

Well, the Sheriff only collects these fees:

$244 Application Fee.
$150 Psych. Exam (minimum: could be more)
$50 Qualifying Range Fee.

$444.00 total. But you have to provide the insurance, ammo for qualification, and I'm guessing a couple hundred more bucks driving around and various expenses by the time you're through. I'm sure the Sheriff would want a certificate of insurance to complete the application, so you'd have to pay the premium for that before you know if you'll be approved. If your application is denied, of course, you'll kiss it all goodbye. You could probably get something back by canceling the policy, but the insurance company would still keep a chunk for minimum earned premium, say, $500 or so. The whole thing is ridiculous. But I'm betting no agent would write that policy anyway based on experience. If you have homeowners insurance you might be covered under that. Otherwise you're SOL.

[Sick Boy]

I know, I work in the insurance industry, completely ridiculous.


Hopefully that is something Gene and the crew can get kicked to the curb.

[dantodd]

Well, the Sheriff only collects these fees:

$244 Application Fee.
$150 Psych. Exam (minimum: could be more)
$50 Qualifying Range Fee.

$444.00 total. But you have to provide the insurance, ammo for qualification, and I'm guessing a couple hundred more bucks driving around and various expenses by the time you're through.

I am pretty sure that statutorily the limits are:
$95 livescan/background/DOJ fee
$100 local fee
$150 Psych exam, only if ALL applicants are required to do so.
$undetermined training fee


The sheriff can ask for the $95 fee plus $20 of the local fee up front, the rest can't be collected until your application is approved.

The insurance requirement is against the law and every sheriff in CA now knows that. Once we get to the point of starting to apply in Alameda Gray will have taken care of most of these issues. I also highly doubt that ALL of the applicants will have been through a psych eval so it is most likely the case that you won't have to either.

Remember, applying and getting our CCWs is the last little piece of this whole initiative. Brandon and Gray are working hard to give us the greatest probability of being approved and then getting issued for the least cost possible and in accordance with all CA laws. Part of being willing to participate in this whole process is knowing that some of our CCWs will be held up or take slightly longer because they will be part of the clean-up process.

[wildhawker]

Question:

Is there a limit to how many times you can apply for a CCW?

No, nor is there a "duration between applications" restriction, although the county has a limited time to respond. Please see the Flowchart and Guide for more info.

[Window_Seat]

(Edited to add first):

No, nor is there a "duration between applications" restriction, although the county has a limited time to respond. Please see the Flowchart and Guide for more info.

And pay particular attention to notes relating to Salute v. Pitchess, especially on page 11 of the above link.

^Edited to add^
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And as far as the psych eval, I would think (or hope, I can hope, HOPE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!) that this will also be thrown out quickly, or the Sheriff will be "compelled" not to require it. We have yet to find out if those who have been "awarded" were required to get a psych eval, no? Time will tell, and then the GC statements come in. Good questions & points above, keep 'em coming in!!

Erik.

[wildhawker]

Another fee that can be collected is the local fingerprinting fee, which cannot exceed the standard local cost for same; in other words, the SO cannot charge 2x for CCW fingerprinting what they would otherwise charge for the same service.

Training would be "actual cost", and must be uniformly required of all applicants.

[wildhawker]

Paladin is exactly right.

I am sniffing around some cities throughout the state - and all in some counties - mainly to apply tactical "pain" and less because they matter in re CCW issuance. However, our focus is on making California "shall issue" and for the process to be accessible and unburdened with illegal policies.

-Brandon

I'm not Brandon and doubt whether I qualify as one of his et als, but I'll chip in.

Bottom line: Don't bother w/cities and police departments.

In another thread (somewhere), this past week I read that CGF is focusing on the 58 sheriffs and NOT CoPs/PDs because there are only 58 sheriffs and sheriffs MUST take applications from ANY resident of their country, regardless of whether the person resides in an incorporated city which has a PD that issues its own CCWs or not.

IIRC, they (it was a Right Person) said that they will eventually go after PDs w/illegal policies, but that is way down the line since PDs really are irrelevant. Who cares if a CoP won't readily issue a CCW when all the sheriffs are forced to?

[Ksmash01]

No, nor is there a "duration between applications" restriction, although the county has a limited time to respond. Please see the Flowchart and Guide for more info.

(Edited to add first):



And pay particular attention to notes relating to Salute v. Pitchess, especially on page 11 of the above link.

^Edited to add^
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And as far as the psych eval, I would think (or hope, I can hope, HOPE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!) that this will also be thrown out quickly, or the Sheriff will be "compelled" not to require it. We have yet to find out if those who have been "awarded" were required to get a psych eval, no? Time will tell, and then the GC statements come in. Good questions & points above, keep 'em coming in!!

Erik.

So not only is there a limit to how many applications that can be submitted, nor a duration between applications submitted, but the Sheriffs Dept.(licensing agency) has to go through each one individually per Salute v. Pitchess......

Interesting....

ETA: So what happens if the county doesn't answer within their allotted time?

[Gray Peterson]

So not only is there a limit to how many applications that can be submitted, nor a duration between applications submitted, but the Sheriffs Dept.(licensing agency) has to go through each one individually per Salute v. Pitchess......

Interesting....

ETA: So what happens if the county doesn't answer within their allotted time?

The steamroller comes for them.

[Rossi357]

Interesting total there. As a Senior Citizen on Social Security, that's 2 mos income for me. Glad I don't live in that county.