San Luis Obispo (old info)

[Paladin]

Well, it's been 2 months and looks like the SO's policy has not changed from when I wrote the below.



Probably best to look for a new sheriff....

Another month and still no change for the better (or at all).

The primary for SLO sheriff is in just over 12 months from now and the deadline for candidates is in ~9 months.

[Paladin]

Well, it's been 2 months and looks like the SO's policy has not changed from when I wrote the below.

SLO county is pro-CCW period. Ask around before making statements. Ask CCW holders they know. I am speaking from experience as I have gone through the process. And I have 6 non resident CCW. Connecticut was much more difficult to get

While that sounds great, there's a big difference between "self-defense" = Good Cause (like in Sacto, Fresno, Ventura and a number of other counties) and what your sheriff has on his CCW policy statement (a separate form from the standard CA DOJ CCW application):

SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE POLICY REGARDING ISSUANCE OF LICENSE FOR CONCEALED FIREARM

POLICY STATEMENT

This order establishes the policy and sets guidelines for accepting applications to carry a concealed pistol, revolver, or other firearm, and the issuance of an authorizing license.

A Concealed Weapon License shall not be granted merely for the personal convenience of the applicant. A position or job classification in itself should not constitute good cause for the issuance or denial of a license. Each application shall be individually reviewed for cause.

ISSUANCE OF LICENSES FOR CONCEALED FIREARM(S)

In accordance with Penal Code Sections 26150 and 26155, the Sheriff of San Luis Obispo County, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies the below listed criteria and has completed a specified course of training as identified in this application, may issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

CRITERIA

Applicant is a resident within the county or a city within this county, or applicant spends a substantial period of time in the applicant’s principal place of employment or business in the County of San Luis Obispo or a city within this county.

APPLICATION REQUESTS

Any person may obtain a Concealed Weapon License Application from the Permit Office Clerk.
Note: Applications will not be accepted unless complete and legible.

Each new applicant must demonstrate proof of residence by some type of recognized identification card or driver’s license, and at least one canceled item of current mail (with your name and street address). New applicants are requested to provide at least 3 signed letters of character reference from individuals other than relatives.

If the CCW license is desired for self-protection, the protection of others, or for the protection of large sums of money or valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause pursuant to Penal Code Section 26150 for issuance of the license. For example, has your life or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, locations, and names of police agencies to which these incidents were reported.

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If you are notified to come in for an appointment, be prepared to:

1. Verbally justify your need for the license to the interviewer (when applicable).

From: http://new.slosheriff.org/images/cms...CCW%202015.pdf (I changed some of the bolding. The bolding in in the body of the text in this one is mine as is the underlining.)

This looks like typical anti issuance policy. HOWEVER, other than the part I've bolded AND underlined, it could be that SLO is going the way of OC: requiring GC statement and some evidence to support it, but actually wants law-abiding competent folk to apply and get issued. If that's the case, I strongly urge them to remove the part that I've both bolded and underlined. Many will see that as what SLO expects a typical applicant to have for GC and not bother even trying.

I guess if some SLO folk have "decent" GC and evidence to support it, they should give it a shot.

ETA: his requirement of a denial by your city's CoP before you can apply with the county is illegal. IIRC, San Joaquin or Merced had that but dropped it after a threatened or filed lawsuit.

FWIW, in case anyone at the SLO SO reads this, I now have >200 incidents linked in my sig line of (mostly) CCWers saving lives (incl LEO lives like in AZ a month or so ago and FL back in Dec.).

Probably best to look for a new sheriff....

If you folks (guys & dolls) in SLO want a sheriff who issues CCWs for SD = GC, you need to get them elected as sheriff.

IIRC, the next sheriff's election is 2018. If no one gets a majority in the June primary, there's a runoff election in Nov. The deadline for registering a candidate is late Jan or early Feb 2018. But by that time, the candidates have already locked up local and even state politicians and various organizations to endorse them. Thus, a pro-CCW candidate must consider themselves "in the race" at least 6 months before that, now we're talking July 2017 latest -- just six months from now. But even before that, SLO folk must find a suitable candidate (education, training, experience, aptitude and personality for being sheriff and have started making political connections as well as being pro-CCW).

Bottom line: SLO folk should be looking for candidates immediately....

[RumT]

Based on this recent dialog I am going to re-start my application process (just stalled at the paperwork, I need to get my last character reference letter).

I am an engineer, live within SLO city limits, work outside of SLO city limits but in SLO CO, I have not taken any specific firearm training in a few years since moving from the east coast. I have a clean record, previously held TS SCI clearance to show for it, and my reason would be transporting cash/valuables, working odd hours outside city limits, self-defense.

We shall see how it goes.

Whom are you applying through? City or Co? With county, if it's for your employer, you're going to need a letter of support from your employer. If you are self employed and cash/valuables are involved, that's an easy one.

[NeverlosT]

Based on this recent dialog I am going to re-start my application process when I get a chance

We shall see how it goes.

[Paladin]

In a race, do you ask yourself how far ahead are you from the last place runner, or how far behind are you from the front runner?

Kern Co SO (http://kernsheriff.org/licensing.aspx): >50% increase in 3 years! Thousands more CCWers. Yet there's still been no "blood in the streets" or "the streets running red with blood" from "high noon shootouts" over fender-benders or parking spaces.

Not to bash Sheriff Parkinson, but just for completeness and to show what the front runners have done. Here's a Sac Bee graphic (from the same article as the graphic in my post above from about a year ago), re Sac Sheriff Jones' issuance practices since he took office. IIRC, Parkinson became SLO sheriff just over 5 years ago, in Jan 2011. I wonder what his annual CCW #s look like, even though I know he's not claiming SD = GC for him.



And here's some other SO's #s from the same article, to help put in perspective whatever #s SLO had, and any change, during this time period:

[Strykeback]

What I don't get is how they can't site SB sheriff giving out permits based on donations/future campaign contributions to his wealthy constituents and friends and leave the common citizens with the remark that getting a ccw will happen after hell freezes over. How is that not political corruption?

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[Paladin]

You are much more likely to get a CCW in San Luis Obispo County than Santa Barbara County. Santa Barbara has a little over 70 permits when San Luis has well over 450.

We acknowledge that: that's why SLO is yellow and SBarbara is dark red.

In a race, do you ask yourself how far ahead are you from the last place runner, or how far behind are you from the front runner?

Kern Co SO (http://kernsheriff.org/licensing.aspx): >50% increase in 3 years! Thousands more CCWers. Yet there's still been no "blood in the streets" or "the streets running red with blood" from "high noon shootouts" over fender-benders or parking spaces.



And, yes, the link for those stats is right on their homepage: http://kernsheriff.org/

IIRC, Shasta, Sacto, Fresno and Orange are now all in that ballpark (of # of CCWs between 6,000 - 8,000), yet I haven't heard ANY of those sheriffs complain about CCWs. Why does Sheriff Parkinson think law-abiding SLO Co residents are "special snowflakes" (or just flakes) that can't be trusted CCWing? 42 out of 50 states have had virtually no problems with Shall Issue (no GC needed) CCWers. Same with ~45 out of the 58 CA counties. I'm not here to bash Sheriff Parkinson, but to encourage him to liberalize issuance of CCWs. I'd LOVE to see SLO turn from yellow to light or dark green on the map. But the map is worthless if it does not reflect what the SO is actually accepting for GC.

In the below graphic, notice how not a single CA county is >50% Republican (the horizontal axis). The Sac Bee describes 50 - 35% Repub counties as "conservative." On that graphic, SLO is ~39% Repub and just under 3 CCWers/1,000 adult residents. To put that graphic in perspective, IIRC, nationally as of last summer, the average was 5 CCWers/100 adult residents: that would be off the chart at 50/1,000 on the vertical axis.

Again: since the push for SI started back in '86 not one state has gone from more liberal issuance to more restrictive.

[zok]

You are much more likely to get a CCW in San Luis Obispo County than Santa Barbara County. Santa Barbara has a little over 70 permits when San Luis has well over 450.

[Paladin]

Until we see a pattern of him issuing to "ordinary" folk (not C&R, not business owners/prop mngrs who regularly make large cash deposits, not Au/Ag coin dealers/jewelers, not exotic car owners, etc) he needs replacing.

I use many ways to judge a sheriff. How difficult is it to find CCW info on his website? What does that info say (and not say) re. GC? What public statements (to press, to public at "meet & greet" events), has he made re. CCWs? What do CGNers, esp longtime members with high post count, say about him and his office re. CCWs on this forum? I mix that all together and ask "could the Avg Law-abiding (only moving violations) Joe/Josephine gun owner (like me, my parents (RIP), my siblings, my adult nephews) get a CCW from him?"

From what I've seen and read, NONE of us could get a CA CCW from SLO SO. In SLO Co, BGs carry guns and LEOs can carry guns, but squeaky clean GGs cannot. Is that just? Does that sound like a wise public policy? Does that even make sense??? That's not being "extremely pro-CCW" and yes, until then, SLO folk should look for a better candidate. See, half the reason why I want CA to go SI is so that other CA CCWers will come across BGs before they cross my path. I lead a nice, quiet, peaceful and boring life and, like the sheriff said in the beginning of First Blood, it's my job to keep it that way. I hope my guns "Rust in Peace" ... even when they're SS

Over the past 30 years, since the beginning of the Shall Issue movement, not one state has gone from May Issue to No Issue. Not one state has gone from Shall Issue to May/No Issue. Not one state has gone from ConCarry ("Unrestricted") to Shall/May/No Issue. Law-abiding gun owners are NOT the problem! No "streets running red with blood" from "high noon shootouts" over fender-benders or parking spaces or any of the other nonsense the antis push. In CA, the same trend from more restrictive to less restrictive issuance has also occurred. The ONLY exception I know of in the 12+ years I've been involved, was OC which went restrictive after Carona was sent to the slammer and even there, Hutchens has since liberalized issuance, so much so that after the 3-judge panel win in Peruta, she issued for SD = GC! But after the Peruta en banc loss, she's since walked that back and now requires more for a GC statement and requires supporting evidence (e.g., receipts showing you do go to the range, are member of a shooting club, entered a match, whatever). But the avg law-abiding gun owner can get a CCW in OC if they try. (FWIW so far 17 states have introduced ConCarry ("constitutional carry") bills and I expect a handful to switch this year. I expect the NH governor to sign their passed bill into law later this month. You can follow it at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1287085)

Of course, if the sheriff has liberalized issuance, he should change what his policy says and make some statement to the local press. The OC sheriff did that. Fresno and Sacto did that and have said CCWers have been no problem and aren't the problem. After the massacre, the San Berdo sheriff said during a national/international TV press conference people should get CCWs and EDC! The SLO sheriff should do something now, that is clear & unambiguous, if he doesn't want CGNers to look for other candidates. Until then, CGNers in SLO need to look for a new sheriff....

Plus, if what you say is true and he's liberalized issuance, I'll expect to see long time CGNers post that they're getting issued CCWs for "reasonable" GC.

FWIW I'd LOVE to see SLO turn "light green" or even better, "dark green" on the map below!

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Well, in 2 days it will have been a month since my post above and as far as I can tell, there's been no change in the SLO SO website re. CCWs. (See: http://slosheriff.org/ You still have to select "Forms and Applications" link, go there and select "Concealed Carry Weapons Application" link to get the .pdf of the SO's form and state DOJ application.)

Plus, the SO's CCW form still implies you have to have survived a threat against your life or property first before you have GC to get a CCW to protect yourself in case it happens another time. (Why can't you get a CCW to protect yourself in case it happens a first time??? )

To see examples of how to show the public you think the law-abiding should be able to be armed to defend themselves against violent criminals by making CCW info easy to find, see these websites.

Monterey Co SO: https://www.montereysheriff.org/

Fresno Co SO: http://www.fresnosheriff.org/

Heck, even LEAs that rarely issue CCWs, like these, have it on their homepages:

Sonoma Co SO: https://www.sonomasheriff.org/

SFPD: http://sanfranciscopolice.org/

[Paladin]

The application is online here: http://new.slosheriff.org/images/cms...CCW%202015.pdf

Good try, but that's an application you can download, print out, fill out by hand, and then deliver to the SO during specific hours/an appointment. That's not an online application where you fill it out online on the SO's website any time, day or night, of any day of the week, hit "submit" and that's all there is to it! You can even do it while sitting at home in your onesie pajamas drinking hot coco....



ETA: For comparison, see how Monterey Co SO has put their process online: https://montereyso.permitium.com/ccw/start

[aaronob]

Anyone with a contact in Sheriff Parkinson's CCW dept should contact them and suggest they look into putting their CCW process online. It saves BOTH the department and applicants (new and renewal) time, money and effort.

Pass this article along to them: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...121987214.html

I'm sure there are others, but so far I know San Bernardino, Sac, Fresno, Stanislaus, Monterey, Placer, Solano and Yolo have all put their CCW process online and San Benito expects to put their application process online sometime this month.

Renewals are done entirely online (no appointment necessary) saving office staff valuable time.

The application is online here: http://new.slosheriff.org/images/cms...CCW%202015.pdf

[baggss]

Update:

I got a phone call today saying my permit is ready for pick up!
Drove over and picked it up.

CONGRATS!

[bongski]

Update:

I got a phone call today saying my permit is ready for pick up!
Drove over and picked it up.

[baggss]

To Paladin
Thanks for your diligence and good work. I'll keep you posted on my Area. I think they may need to rethink the California map for SLO CO.

Yes. Slo should be under "reasonable good cause required ".

So what we are looking for, before any changes to the Map are made, is trend data from other folks in SLO. Not that we don't believe what you are telling us, but a sample of 2 is an insufficient sample.

Reading thorough the last years worth of posts in this thread it does seem that the trend is more towards issuing, but there seems to be a divide between rural and urban folks who apply and who gets approved. While rural SLO folks seem to be able to get approved, we have not heard much from anyone urban or suburban areas on their experiences. What we have heard is some folks who still feel their rights are being denied on an ad-hoc basis by SLOSD because of where they live.

If the SLOSD only issues to rural residents simply due to longer wait times for Police assistance, that's ok, but it doesn't issue in the same numbers to urban folks because the response times are shorter, that doesn't lead me to believe that issuance is being done evenhandedly or that SLO should change colors. Look at Note 1 on the Map as well.

Additionally, some wording on the web-sight would be nice. Something that indicated a willingness to issue for reasonable good cause would be helpful, but I realize the folks here may not have any influence on that.

[skyscraper]

To Paladin
Thanks for your diligence and good work. I'll keep you posted on my Area. I think they may need to rethink the California map for SLO CO.


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Yes. Slo should be under "reasonable good cause required ".

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