San Luis Obispo (old info)

[Ford8N]

SLO Sheriffs answer "Call 911" period.

Sorry about your denial.

[wildhawker]

By statute, there is no such animal as an 'appeal' from a denial under PC 12050. You might create some limited uncomfortable PR by use of a very limited press, but you may just foreclose any opportunity to leverage. One should consider goals before taking steps rooted in frustration.

-Brandon

Thanks for the well wishes, but alas they said no:

Sooooo...... it would seem, even though SCOTUS ruled that self defense is an individual fundamental civil right, a service-connected disabled veteran that is unable to effectively retreat from a threat and effectively unable to physically defend oneself; is separated from his civil rights by the local sheriff.

Now, what is the method by which I appeal this? I'm thinking some Heller & McDonald quotations followed by referencing 18USC241 & 242. I am also thinking of contacting the Blackburn fellow that did the Matt Hart video. It really torque's me to think that the sheriff of Nottingham can randomly deny a person's fundamental civil rights on a whim.

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[choprzrul]

But good luck...I hope you get it.

Thanks for the well wishes, but alas they said no:

Dear Mr. Choprzrul:

Your initial application for a concealed firearms license has been reviewed. The purpose(s) and reason(s) you stated for having a license do not meet the criteria of "good cause" (insufficient reason to issue a permit/lack of justification for need) as outlined in Penal Code Section 12050.

Also, in reviewing the information provided in your application, it was noted that your residence address is located within an incorporated city within San Luis Obispo County. Therefore, I recommend that you contact the xxxyyyy Police Department regarding this matter.

Sincerely,

Martin J Basti
Undersheriff

Sooooo...... it would seem, even though SCOTUS ruled that self defense is an individual fundamental civil right, a service-connected disabled veteran that is unable to effectively retreat from a threat and effectively unable to physically defend oneself; is separated from his civil rights by the local sheriff.

Now, what is the method by which I appeal this? I'm thinking some Heller & McDonald quotations followed by referencing 18USC241 & 242. I am also thinking of contacting the Blackburn fellow that did the Matt Hart video. It really torque's me to think that the sheriff of Nottingham can randomly deny a person's fundamental civil rights on a whim.

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[dirtydeedsdoneinthedesert]

But good luck...I hope you get it.

[dirtydeedsdoneinthedesert]

I've heard that if you turn in a ccw app in Morro Bay they just tell you "OK, we'll send you your denial letter". My understanding is that the chief of police here in M.B. just automatically defers you to the Sheriff, and getting denied on the local level is just part of the due diligence.

[Jack L]

What I learned today:

I dropped off my 1911 @ Apex Tactical Specialties in Los Osos after lunch and then drove over to the Sheriff's office to drop off my CCW app. I want to get this put down while it is still fresh in my mind, so here are some points that come to mind:

1. Didn't want my check for $20.00

2. First thing, asked if I had applied to my local PD. I said no, that I didn't find that requirement anywhere in the PC. I was told that it is their policy that I have to apply locally first, otherwise it is an automatic denial. I asked if I could see their policy that outlines this and was told that there wasn't a policy but that it is just their unwritten rule about how it is done.

3. The SLOSD pdf says to include "..an item of cancelled United States postage, which has your physical (street) address...", so I copied a phone bill with my name and address at the top. That wasn't good enough. It had to be the letter itself showing the canceled postmark along with name and address. Not sure how I would get a paper phone bill with my name and address at the top without it being mailed to me at that address, but oh well. Just faxed 3 examples to them just now.

4. She reluctantly accepted my application, but again stressed that it would be denied without submitting locally.

5. Per SLOSD pdf, I included information for 3 firearms. She said that they only allow 2 and that I had to scratch 1 off, so I did.


I am not holding out much hope for this application. My hope is that it provides intel for sunshine and the time I spent doing it proves useful in the future. I will update here as I learn more.

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If the phone bill had the date on it, what's the difference if you have an envelope or not? I don't get that. How about copy of your property tax bill and DMV registration together. If you rent, a copy of your rental agreement.

Have you thought about submitting a application to your local PD? They may defer to the sheriff then you are back online with this.

I don't know anything about the legality of this. I'd email Brandon and ask what to do now. If you have no issues with your local PD maybe a application to them will be the first step?

I think your GC is a very good one and politically would get a lot of attention in your favor if you are denied.

Keep us updated ASAP.

[choprzrul]

What I learned today:

I dropped off my 1911 @ Apex Tactical Specialties in Los Osos after lunch and then drove over to the Sheriff's office to drop off my CCW app. I want to get this put down while it is still fresh in my mind, so here are some points that come to mind:

1. Didn't want my check for $20.00

2. First thing, asked if I had applied to my local PD. I said no, that I didn't find that requirement anywhere in the PC. I was told that it is their policy that I have to apply locally first, otherwise it is an automatic denial. I asked if I could see their policy that outlines this and was told that there wasn't a policy but that it is just their unwritten rule about how it is done.

3. The SLOSD pdf says to include "..an item of cancelled United States postage, which has your physical (street) address...", so I copied a phone bill with my name and address at the top. That wasn't good enough. It had to be the letter itself showing the canceled postmark along with name and address. Not sure how I would get a paper phone bill with my name and address at the top without it being mailed to me at that address, but oh well. Just faxed 3 examples to them just now.

4. She reluctantly accepted my application, but again stressed that it would be denied without submitting locally.

5. Per SLOSD pdf, I included information for 3 firearms. She said that they only allow 2 and that I had to scratch 1 off, so I did.


I am not holding out much hope for this application. My hope is that it provides intel for sunshine and the time I spent doing it proves useful in the future. I will update here as I learn more.

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[Jack L]

Thanks for the update/intel Jack. I think that I am going to go ahead and apply to see what happens. Being 60% service-connected disabled, I am unable to effectively retreat from a threat; and there is no way for me to dial 911 in the 1.5 seconds it takes a bad guy to cover 7 yards.

I have to run out to Apex Tactile in Los Osos anyway, so I think that I will drop off an app with the SD.

Now to puts some words to the GC statement....

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I think your GC is one of the better ones even when you consider the traditional GC's over the decades. Serve your country, suffer trauma, come home and want to be safe after making us all safe. He who would not allow you a CCW would be unpatriotic.

[choprzrul]

I believe Brandon and the team is working on diplomacy first on SLOC. I have spoke with a number of people who have CCWs. I have not met anyone who used the simple and only reason of self protection worded however appropriate. All the people I have talked with had additional good causes. It appears that if you live in the most remote/rural areas of the county, response times of 30 minutes or longer, some of the ranchers had received CCWs. There are additional causes even with that..... like no cell coverage, and history of ranch theft and trespassing,etc. Basically one is on their own in the boonies so-to-speak. I know of one man who transports narcotics who was issued a CCW. Some business owners who transport money are able to get licensed too.

That's all I know. Since I never have lived in an incorporated city, all I know are ranchers and farmers and they are a self preservation type of society and many are armed licensed or not.

I guess some 'city folk' will have to apply to see how it is going. Maybe arrange for a face to face with the undersheriff to introduce yourself and have a question and answer session?

Thanks for the update/intel Jack. I think that I am going to go ahead and apply to see what happens. Being 60% service-connected disabled, I am unable to effectively retreat from a threat; and there is no way for me to dial 911 in the 1.5 seconds it takes a bad guy to cover 7 yards.

I have to run out to Apex Tactile in Los Osos anyway, so I think that I will drop off an app with the SD.

Now to puts some words to the GC statement....

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[Jack L]

Any updates to report?

I believe Brandon and the team is working on diplomacy first on SLOC. I have spoke with a number of people who have CCWs. I have not met anyone who used the simple and only reason of self protection worded however appropriate. All the people I have talked with had additional good causes. It appears that if you live in the most remote/rural areas of the county, response times of 30 minutes or longer, some of the ranchers had received CCWs. There are additional causes even with that..... like no cell coverage, and history of ranch theft and trespassing,etc. Basically one is on their own in the boonies so-to-speak. I know of one man who transports narcotics who was issued a CCW. Some business owners who transport money are able to get licensed too.

That's all I know. Since I never have lived in an incorporated city, all I know are ranchers and farmers and they are a self preservation type of society and many are armed licensed or not.

I guess some 'city folk' will have to apply to see how it is going. Maybe arrange for a face to face with the undersheriff to introduce yourself and have a question and answer session?

[choprzrul]

Please hang tight, let me dig a bit. We'll probably send some applicants through very soon.

Any updates to report?

[greasemonkey]

Sign me up... will help any way I can.

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[dirtydeedsdoneinthedesert]

Wow, this is pretty great news. I hope it all goes down pretty soon.

[Kid Stanislaus]

Things are look'n up in SLO!

[cosmos7]

Please hang tight, let me dig a bit. We'll probably send some applicants through very soon.

Sign me up... will help any way I can.