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  • #76
    XDJYo
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2012
    • 6179

    Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips
    Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model
    Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes).
    M&P 15 (Mine)

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    • #77
      MuayThaiJJ
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2020
      • 1333

      Yes, they opened up all lanes now, which is good for weekends.
      I also think they should open from Tue-Sun with extended hours Fri-Sun
      YouTube Channel: Nick Shoots Stuff
      Diablo Rod and Gun Club
      03-FFL and COE Holder
      CMAT GMAU

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      • #78
        KJN
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 10

        Originally posted by MuayThaiJJ
        How about we raise it equitably???

        $7 for shotgun to shoot is ridiculous. When you take into account the RO that has to pull, the clays, the electricity, the staff in the clubhouse, etc. You LOSE money everyday...might as well flush it down the toilet. Raise prices in the clubhouse too. $1 beer? WTF. Make it $4 or 5.

        We can't have Pistol/Rifle carry all the weight...

        Across the board make EVERY member pay $15. And non members $25.

        All club memberships $75 renewal. $100 for new memberships...


        If you do a $200 Pistol/Rifle card - make it VIP. No waiting in line, you go right to the front...

        EVERYONE chip in...not just pistol rifle... (cough cough Shotgunners....)


        U R CLUELESS about how the shotgun fields are run and the cost to shoot...go back to your safe place...

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        • #79
          MuayThaiJJ
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2020
          • 1333

          Originally posted by KJN
          U R CLUELESS about how the shotgun fields are run and the cost to shoot...go back to your safe place...
          I am, please tell everyone how $7 is going to help.
          YouTube Channel: Nick Shoots Stuff
          Diablo Rod and Gun Club
          03-FFL and COE Holder
          CMAT GMAU

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          • #80
            Gowking
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 2664

            Please keep in mind the cost of Trap is per 25 clay session while R&P is (ostensibly) all day. You would need to know all the numbers to be able to compare fees collected vs cost to operate each range type before jumping to conclusions.

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            • #81
              Andykev
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 55

              The comments above are truly remarkable, in that some are accurate, others are largely incorrect due to not knowing the structure and operation at USI.

              USI is a private non-profit company. It is owned by five (the clubs) separate California corporations, also non profit. What the "clubs" do is separate from the operation of USI which is independent. However, the "clubs" are the board of USI, in that they are supposed to oversee the operation, and ensure the financial health,safety, and business operations (oversight). The board serves without any compensation, BTW.

              It matters not if one club charges zero dollars to join, or $500... NONE of the money from the club goes to USI or vice versa. They are mutually nonassessable under their respective corporate structure. Think of the "clubs" as social entities, which hold dinners, and club shoots. They pay the set fees equally for use of the facility. That said, USI is bleeding horribly. It is NOT the same operation back in 2014 or earlier.

              EDIT: Martinez gun club charges $250/year memberhip, Livermore annual memberhip ($150 initiaiton) and $150 a year. U.S.I. has NEVER charged "membership" until now. So it puts them in the same "league" as the other local gun clubs, and with comparable "shoot fees". It's a miriacle U.S.I. has survived under their old business model (see below).

              What has changed in the past few years to put USI on the brink of insolvency, is fiscal mismanagement or indifference, or neglect in taking action when it needed to be done. In a nut shell, expenses are more than income. Pure and simple, whether you are a failed restuarant, corner market, or a shooting range.

              The range development was necessary, but some will argue that it was unnecessarily "lavish". It is nice. Actually it's very nice. But, remember construction costs, overruns, fees, permits, insurance...ADA requirements... all that ball of wax made it a pricey improvement. Even the parking lot, drain water, everything..had to meet the strictest Calif. codes and regulations. If any of you have run a "small business" you will understand the extreme financial challanges to all of this.
              Then COVID hit and that not only impacted the USI operation, but look at all the small shops and businesses all around that "never came back". Then the "ammo shortage" which is still a big issue. And the new gun/ammo laws in California... Am I describing the perfect storm? Then when the range was done, nice yes, but the County reassessed the property which was a whopping increase in taxes. And you pay those taxes forever going forward.
              Then USI lost our tenant, the guy with the bull dozers down by the action pistol range. He was paying generously to rent our property, but some felt the space would be better served by turning it into an expansion of the range down there, so the "building code enforcer" filed a complaint, and they evicted him. USI lost that revenue, forever. Then salary increases happen, it's minimum wages or better, and insurance, and so on, and those are a significant impact on the cost of doing business. And the cell tower which gave USI some positive cash flow... it was sold (traded) to offset the construction costs... which was not a bad move since it was basically trading rental income for a very large up front cash payment... like an annunity so to speak. It is a lease, USI still owns the property.
              The bottom line, people have cut back on shooting and business is down..and it is for a host of reasons. Some people can't afford to send their disposbable income to shoot when groceries and gas are what they are. We are in a 8.4% cost of living inflation cycle.

              Most shooters at USI over the past years have enjoyed very low shoot fees, or NO shoot fees, and were all happy to do so, in that the costs were largely offset by low taxes, no "mortgage payments", few paid employees, rental income which subsudizes their sport.... but those days are gone. It is VERY difficult to get folks to change their viewpoint and face the new reality. Fire employees and use all volunteer? That is an impossible concept, most "volunteers" want some kickback gratituity or consideration... and it's not very easy to schedule or operate a business that way. No show to work, not much you as a manager can do because the answer is "hey, I'm just a volunteer".

              The saddest thing, this REALITY happened over two years ago, and the board failed to or ignored the very obvious financial reports each month to recognize the looming crisis. The "majority" vote of the board is sometimes hard to overcome, and some very smart people from the "minority grop" have raised objections, asked for changes, or pulled their hair out, all to no avail. So if you are a member of one of the five clubs.... ASK YOUR CLUB PRESIDENT what the hell is going on and ASK him about the finances, and why did things get to this point. Go ahead, ask...they're YOUR club representative.

              The $250 discount card may be ineffective. And those who don't want to pay, keep your cheap club membership so you can enjoy the monthly open bar and social...and just "pay as you go" with the new $12 per round shotgun, or the $25 "all day" use fee for Rifle/Pistol. Attend some socials while the gates are still open and not chained by the assessor for tax delinquency.
              If USI is lost, you will not get it back.
              Last edited by Andykev; 04-27-2022, 8:37 PM.

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              • #82
                sammy
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2006
                • 3847

                Andy,

                Thanks for posting. I don't think any of us here knew any of that.

                The only thing missing in your post is how to salvage it. What can we do as club members to insure the solvency of USI?

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                • #83
                  MuayThaiJJ
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2020
                  • 1333

                  Yes, thanks Andy. That was very edifying. I think most of us if not all CalGunners that actively shoot at USI want to save it, so how can we help?
                  YouTube Channel: Nick Shoots Stuff
                  Diablo Rod and Gun Club
                  03-FFL and COE Holder
                  CMAT GMAU

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                  • #84
                    Andykev
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 55

                    Same as you do your Church, favorite restaurant, or shooting range! Patronize it and shoot there often. It needs you as a customer. If you don't like the food at a restaurant, complain. If the line is too long at the range, complain. Make your voice heard. The EMAIL for every club president (aka BOARD MEMBER) is published on the USI website. Speak to them!!!!! Turn on the heat.

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                    • #85
                      MuayThaiJJ
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2020
                      • 1333

                      Originally posted by Andykev
                      Same as you do your Church, favorite restaurant, or shooting range! Patronize it and shoot there often. It needs you as a customer. If you don't like the food at a restaurant, complain. If the line is too long at the range, complain. Make your voice heard. The EMAIL for every club president (aka BOARD MEMBER) is published on the USI website. Speak to them!!!!! Turn on the heat.
                      Ok, I got most of those done already. I shoot there 1-2x a week, I talk to the people in charge, the staff, and fellow members. I think the board needs to read this thread though...
                      YouTube Channel: Nick Shoots Stuff
                      Diablo Rod and Gun Club
                      03-FFL and COE Holder
                      CMAT GMAU

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                      • #86
                        Andykev
                        Junior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 55

                        U.S.I. Board of Directors

                        Bay Point Rod and Gun Club
                        President Peter Llama
                        president@baypointrodandgunclub.com

                        Diablo Rod and Gun Club
                        President Dennis Winslow
                        president@diablorodandgun.com

                        Brentwood Rod and Gun Club
                        President Jack Shatting
                        jdshatting@gmail.com

                        Concord Sportsmen’s Club
                        President Mike McIntosh
                        president@concordsportsmen.com

                        Walnut Creek Sportsmen’s Club
                        President Steve O’Connell
                        president@walnutcreeksportsmen.com

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                        • #87
                          Gowking
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 2664

                          Originally posted by Andykev
                          U.S.I. Board of Directors

                          Bay Point Rod and Gun Club
                          President Peter Llama
                          president@baypointrodandgunclub.com

                          Diablo Rod and Gun Club
                          President Dennis Winslow
                          president@diablorodandgun.com

                          Brentwood Rod and Gun Club
                          President Jack Shatting
                          jdshatting@gmail.com


                          President Mike McIntosh
                          president@concordsportsmen.com

                          president@walnutcreeksportsmen.com
                          Are these all really paid $36,000 per year as noted in the document linked by Sammy above?

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                          • #88
                            Andykev
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 55

                            Per the Corporate Bylaws:

                            5.20. Director Compensation. Directors and members of committees of the board will receive no compensation.

                            The President, CFO, Secretary, Treasurer ONLY.
                            If your $36K is correct... that is for 4 corporate officers, 12 months... it 's $1,500 per month for the President/CEO,
                            and the Secretary, Treasurer, and CFO get $500/month. Pretty sure that is still the amounts.
                            That is peanuts for running a company/business/corportation. You make more bagging groceries at Safeway.

                            USI pays rangemasters and RSO's.

                            That is it.
                            Last edited by Andykev; 04-27-2022, 9:46 PM.

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                            • #89
                              FNGGlock
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2020
                              • 1289

                              Andykey, sounds like you have a good understanding of what is going on.

                              Was there an actual analysis done based on current patronage if the proposed fee changes will actually address the financial issues?

                              Seems odd that there is no proposal to promote higher usage during off times , and additional charges during peak times by use of pricing models. Cheaper during the week and higher on the weekend. Similarly most indoor ranges limit shooting, though they don't have line break like the R&P range, but still (there was a 2 hour limit at one point with high usage on weekends).

                              Similarly the check in process is super slow, due no split for first timers that need to checkin, get blue card, etc and existing shooters that don't buy ammo can check in quickly (used to do that when it was very busy - but still didn't have it go all the way to the actual desk).

                              Further, I'm guilty for not checking out the clubhouse, but I'm sure a $5 beer sounds nice after shooting ($1 beers sound crazy to me), especially with summer coming. Maybe other consumables would be nice as well. Even at the range itself. Ways for upselling the experience and add-ons.

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                              • #90
                                bubbaskyjacker
                                Member
                                • May 2008
                                • 138

                                Wait there is a club house that serves beer !!!! See the problem. Services are there - don’t know about them. Beer - 1$ is too cheap 2-5$

                                Do something different - current practices wil result in closure

                                Up service

                                Lower attitudes ( no one is forcing you to work there RSO and office, a new shooter is not going to comeback if treated like crap - a veteran is not coming back either )

                                Tighten up the operations - save money - more outreach - lower check in times. I don’t want to wait for someone to do the safety test when I just need to pay.

                                If fees need to be raised - be transparent with the clubs and members how it will fix the issue.

                                I had no idea it had reopened and it was operating for almost 2 years.

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