West End Gun club to require NRA membership of all limited members begining 2015

[Ronin2]

After a few months of behind the scenes lobbying, I was at the monthly meeting this evening and was able to articulate my thoughts on the matter to the Board of Directors who voted in favor of my suggestion to change to the clubs policies and proceedures manual. Beginning in 2015 all new limited members and all renewing limited members will have to show proof of current NRA membership... just like the full members have had to do since 1967.

NO more free riders....

[Don the savage]

Solid.

[glock_this]

Just my .02 cents since you put this out there..

It's not a free ride - and I hate that mentality - if you don't belong to the NRA. Not sure it is any better to "force" people to pay to play even more than the gov already does. And this is an example of that and that mentality. But suddenly, it is cool to do that here while in other aspects of life, you would be and are pizzed when asked to pay extra to play.

I, for one, don't think this is as great an idea as some. We all cannot contribute financially to all groups we want to. It is just not logical or reasonable. People have to pick and choose. We all do. Period. 1 guy who contributes to the NRA, while the other does not, thinks himself part of the solution while the other guy just must be a freeloading part of the problem? However, that other guy may contribute more to other groups than the NRA guy. Just a divisive mentality that splits the group we are all in versus bringing them together. It just says, "hey, I (or we) are better & more involved than you, but if you come over here suddenly you are ok again."

Ps - it is so easy to scratch a check, if you have money, and be considered suddenly part of the "solution" yet it is much harder to find some time to dedicate to a cause. Scratching that check doesn't in any way prove a commitment to the cause - it can just simply mean you had money to spend. Donating time is more valuable - but is under appreciated versus the NRA contribution. You could have pushed more to have members find volunteer time per year to further the 2A cause, say 5 hours, versus being forced to buy another membership, as a possible solution to get more people active and involved. Which is the ultimate end goal.

[ElvenSoul]

I like it!

[leman77]

I'm ok with that ! I've had a limited membership in the past and wouldn't mind re-upping with an NRA membership.

[Ronin2]

Just my .02 cents since you put this out there..

It's not a free ride - and I hate that mentality - if you don't belong to the NRA. Not sure it is any better to "force" people to pay to play even more than the gov already does. And this is an example of that and that mentality. But suddenly, it is cool to do that here while in other aspects of life, you would be and are pizzed when asked to pay extra to play.

WEGC is a private 100% NRA member club. You do not need to be a member nor are you forced to pay taxes to support WEGC. Comparing WEGC to "pay to play" in government provided services/access is NOT a rational analysis.

I, for one, don't think this is as great an idea as some. We all cannot contribute financially to all groups we want to. It is just not logical or reasonable. People have to pick and choose. We all do. Period. 1 guy who contributes to the NRA, while the other does not, thinks himself part of the solution while the other guy just must be a freeloading part of the problem? However, that other guy may contribute more to other groups than the NRA guy. Just a divisive mentality that splits the group we are all in versus bringing them together. It just says, "hey, I (or we) are better & more involved than you, but if you come over here suddenly you are ok again."

NRA annual memberships can be had for as little as $25....less than 100 rnds of 9mm or 30 rounds of rifle ammo. If you can't afford NRA membership to protect your right to spend many times that in ammo during one range visit are not the kind of gun owners the majority of WEGC members want using their facility.

Ps - it is so easy to scratch a check, if you have money, and be considered suddenly part of the "solution" yet it is much harder to find some time to dedicate to a cause. Scratching that check doesn't in any way prove a commitment to the cause - it can just simply mean you had money to spend. Donating time is more valuable - but is under appreciated versus the NRA contribution. You could have pushed more to have members find volunteer time per year to further the 2A cause, say 5 hours, versus being forced to buy another membership, as a possible solution to get more people active and involved. Which is the ultimate end goal.

I have stuffed thousands of envelopes, walked precincts, worked phone banks, taught Eddie Eagle classes, organized protests of anti gun FFL's and anti gun politicians, helped organize/worked Friends of the NRA dinners and the last few Charlton Heston celebrity shoots. I have personally signed up over 50 new NRA members. I have been a life member of the NRA for almost 20 years, life member of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF). I have donated tens of thousands of dollars to NRA-ILA , SAF, local, state and federal pro gun political candidates and whoever runs against Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer. You have no idea what my time was worth during my career of 60 plus hour weeks prior to my retirement at 41 yo. I gave those hours gladly as I give the money I can. If I can do that, gun owners of less time and means can certainty pony up $25 a year or they can find other places to shoot the guns I and millions of others, including the 1603 full members of WEGC, have worked hard to preserve for them.

How do you propose that WEGC verify your proposed 5hrs pro gun volunteer time as well as those hours "effectiveness"? WEGC is a volunteer organization with the 5% of the membership doing 90% of the work to maintain the club, who has the time to track all that.... Its just not feasible even if it was desirable.

Anyone not willing to join the NRA can simply drive a few miles farther down the road and utilize the USFS Lytle Creek public shooting range.

[prod39]

Now,,,that's some WEGC news that I TOTALLY Applaude!!

Yay Team,,we're heading in the right direction !

[Sunday]

Good for them !!!

[parcours]

This is a requirement that should have always been.

Keep up the good work...

[chris]

Just my .02 cents since you put this out there..

It's not a free ride - and I hate that mentality - if you don't belong to the NRA. Not sure it is any better to "force" people to pay to play even more than the gov already does. And this is an example of that and that mentality. But suddenly, it is cool to do that here while in other aspects of life, you would be and are pizzed when asked to pay extra to play.

I, for one, don't think this is as great an idea as some. We all cannot contribute financially to all groups we want to. It is just not logical or reasonable. People have to pick and choose. We all do. Period. 1 guy who contributes to the NRA, while the other does not, thinks himself part of the solution while the other guy just must be a freeloading part of the problem? However, that other guy may contribute more to other groups than the NRA guy. Just a divisive mentality that splits the group we are all in versus bringing them together. It just says, "hey, I (or we) are better & more involved than you, but if you come over here suddenly you are ok again."

Ps - it is so easy to scratch a check, if you have money, and be considered suddenly part of the "solution" yet it is much harder to find some time to dedicate to a cause. Scratching that check doesn't in any way prove a commitment to the cause - it can just simply mean you had money to spend. Donating time is more valuable - but is under appreciated versus the NRA contribution. You could have pushed more to have members find volunteer time per year to further the 2A cause, say 5 hours, versus being forced to buy another membership, as a possible solution to get more people active and involved. Which is the ultimate end goal.

numbers are what count when it comes to fighting the idiots in Krapamento. California NRA numbers is needed. too many gun owners in this state are not members and we need the numbers.

there are other pro gun groups as well to belong too of course and where people spend their money is their business. its a numbers game of course and they have more against us.

[Dannytheman]

WEGC is a private 100% NRA member club. You do not need to be a member nor are you forced to pay taxes to support WEGC. Comparing WEGC to "pay to play" in government provided services/access is NOT a rational analysis.



NRA annual memberships can be had for as little as $25....less than 100 rnds of 9mm or 30 rounds of rifle ammo. If you can't afford NRA membership to protect your right to spend many times that in ammo during one range visit are not the kind of gun owners the majority of WEGC members want using their facility.



I have stuffed thousands of envelopes, walked precincts, worked phone banks, taught Eddie Eagle classes, organized protests of anti gun FFL's and anti gun politicians, helped organize/worked Friends of the NRA dinners and the last few Charlton Heston celebrity shoots. I have personally signed up over 50 new NRA members. I have been a life member of the NRA for almost 20 years, life member of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF). I have donated tens of thousands of dollars to NRA-ILA , SAF, local, state and federal pro gun political candidates and whoever runs against Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer. You have no idea what my time was worth during my career of 60 plus hour weeks prior to my retirement at 41 yo. I gave those hours gladly as I give the money I can. If I can do that, gun owners of less time and means can certainty pony up $25 a year or they can find other places to shoot the guns I and millions of others, including the 1603 full members of WEGC, have worked hard to preserve for them.

How do you propose that WEGC verify your proposed 5hrs pro gun volunteer time as well as those hours "effectiveness"? WEGC is a volunteer organization with the 5% of the membership doing 90% of the work to maintain the club, who has the time to track all that.... Its just not feasible even if it was desirable.

Anyone not willing to join the NRA can simply drive a few miles farther down the road and utilize the USFS Lytle Creek public shooting range.

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This from me as well!
(Well, I don't think I have reached 10s of thousands to the ILA, but I am working on it)

[hermosabeach]

11,000,000 gun owners in CA

4-5 Million total NRA members

Total Voter Turnout in last CA election... 4,461,346


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Requiring NRA is a good step forward...

[Ronin2]

11,000,000 gun owners in CA

4-5 Million total NRA members

Total Voter Turnout in last CA election... 4,461,346


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Requiring NRA is a good step forward...

Too true unfortunately. The next problem is the number of gun owners who vote democrat or independent over social issues. My thoughts there;

- A vote for anyone but a republican is a defacto vote for the gun grabbing Democats.
- While many who vote democrat or third party over social issues ( yes I am a moderate to liberal on social issues myself) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, keep in mind that social change is a freight train that can not be stopped by legislation... Any restrictive legislation on social issues will eventually be changed. ONCE THE GUNS ARE GONE, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THEY Are COMING BACK!

We need to be pragmatic and focus on one thing... GETTING DEMOCRATS OUT OF OFFICE and only votes fr the Republican Party candidate in most all instances give us a shot at that.

[SimonBirch]

So it's kind of like Obama care?

[AdamB330]

Too true unfortunately. The next problem is the number of gun owners who vote democrat or independent over social issues. My thoughts there;

- A vote for anyone but a republican is a defacto vote for the gun grabbing Democats.
- While many who vote democrat or third party over social issues ( yes I am a moderate to liberal on social issues myself) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, keep in mind that social change is a freight train that can not be stopped by legislation... Andover legislation on social issues will eventually be changed. ONCE THE GUNS ARE GONE, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THEY ARE NOT COMING BACK!

We need to be pragmatic and focus on one thing... GETTING DEMOCRATS OUT OF OFFICE and only votes fr the Republican Party candidate in most all instances give us a shot at that.

I wish there were more of you.