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    Senior Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 1611

    Suggestion: viable resolution to CG issues

    Heya,

    So I value CG a goodly amount, and would like to see it available again. In my professional life I have also had the experience of working on complex forum migrations on 3 separate occasions. I fully recognize the difficulties that the team has faced, the technical challenges in doing something like this are vast.

    At this point I think that the original plan (to migrate all the data), has largely proven non-viable. This was a laudable goal, but one that is by far the most technically challenging. None of the developers I have worked with in the past were willing to even attempt this. Migrating data would preserve user community, and information/seo that both created larger value for members and non members. At this point however the users are largely moved on to other resources beyond occasional attempts to login, the seo is gone as the site has been down too long, and the data is basically inaccessible for someone trying to find something that has been posted here previously.

    So what is my suggestion? A clean start retaining none of the previous data (either users or posts). This is super painful, but in a short period of time CG would be at least somewhat usable. Any further efforts with the old data would be focused on archiving old post information, and creating a repository that gave read only access (since it wouldn’t be an actual forum) to the old posts.

    There are a number of reasons I think right now is the critical time to make this decision. January 1st approaching will mean a stream of potential traffic that could help the site get back on its feet. I’m happy to discuss my previous experiences with user management and communication if you do decide to take this route. Either way best of luck to you.
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    DolphinFan
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2579

    I agree. Start from scratch.
    the forums will be populated quickly.
    10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
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    • #3
      Sgt Raven
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 3819

      I don't know how they do it. When a thread hasn't been posted to in a set amount of time on ARFCOM, then it goes into a read only archive.
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      • #4
        SWalt
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2012
        • 8428

        Well I just took a "test drive" of the database and went to a OT thread over 10 years old and it came up. It was on page 3000 of OT. I was able to move between the pages of that thread but I didn't post to it since it was too old. So, to me it seems the database is salvageable. Also, this is the 3rd day for me to not get any 504's. I do get the "working" banner from time to time and also notices the "auto save" banner popping up too. So what ever recent changes that have been made seem to be fixing the problems, the starting point being the last 2 years when moving to a new version of vB started.

        ETA: I was able to edit and correct a few typos on this post. Another sign its working as it should.
        Last edited by SWalt; 12-08-2024, 3:28 PM.
        ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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        • #5
          Kyle1886
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 3659

          Yes, I agree that it is salvageable; I'd hate to loose all the valuable past info. Back in Aug. I needed to seek a legal thread that I remembered, but couldn't get on. I had to attempt to find that same info elsewhere. So yes, if possible we need the history, too valuable to just dump.

          Personal opinion.

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          • #6
            The Gleam
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2011
            • 12028

            Originally posted by DolphinFan
            I agree. Start from scratch.
            the forums will be populated quickly.
            Bad, bad, idea. For one thing, the intellectual and historical property is more valuable than having a new but working site. That's the case for any topic-based site where technology does not necessarily make old things or old ways obsolete, whether that's cars, guitars, boats, knives, furniture, or guns.


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            Originally posted by Librarian
            What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

            If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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            • #7
              Sgt Raven
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 3819

              The history of CGN and the OLL saga needs to be preserved.
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              DILLIGAF
              "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
              "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
              "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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              • #8
                TrappedinCalifornia
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2018
                • 8862

                Originally posted by DolphinFan
                I agree. Start from scratch.
                the forums will be populated quickly.
                Being 'populated quickly' isn't necessarily the premise or the goal and likely shouldn't be.

                It's just like we're seeing many members who've remained largely 'silent' during these trouble scrambling back and posting these last three days. To my eye, that's indicative of members who are still trying to work with the site. Yes. Some have chosen to spend their time on other sites while awaiting a 'fix' and it's clear that 'the fix' is not complete. But, improvement is clearly being demonstrated.

                In and of itself, that's encouraging. Even more encouraging is the fact that you can now access much of the 'treasure' (historical information) which is preserved on this site without as many errors, timeouts, and 'vapor locks.'

                Starting from scratch, at this point, would be tantamount to 'giving up' on your goal when you're actually making visible progress toward achieving it.

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                • #9
                  SWalt
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 8428

                  I for one am not opposed to taking very old threads and archiving them in a way that makes them searchable. I don't know if that would save Kes and CGN resources and bandwidth but if it makes the site better thats fine by me.
                  ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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                  CRPA 5 yr Member

                  "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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                  • #10
                    BAJ475
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 5092

                    Originally posted by SWalt
                    I for one am not opposed to taking very old threads and archiving them in a way that makes them searchable. I don't know if that would save Kes and CGN resources and bandwidth but if it makes the site better that's fine by me.
                    While I do not know what has been the underlying problem, this sounds like a good idea to me.

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                    • #11
                      L84CABO
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8619

                      Originally posted by The Gleam

                      Bad, bad, idea. For one thing, the intellectual and historical property is more valuable than having a new but working site. That's the case for any topic-based site where technology does not necessarily make old things or old ways obsolete, whether that's cars, guitars, boats, knives, furniture, or guns.


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                      So is it better that the sight remain just about unusable and dies a prolonged but certain death? Because that seems to be the way we are headed. Is it not better that the site continue to live in some form or fashion?

                      And I realize the value of the history and IP. Nobody wants to see that gone. But it simply may not be possible to restore this at this point. And if it's not, then what? Do we just let the whole thing die?

                      "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

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                      • #12
                        Imageview
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2018
                        • 1611

                        This post appears to be somewhat poorly timed; things aren’t perfect but appear to be significantly better. That being said knowledge can be rebuilt, what I value most is the community. But each person can have their own opinions.

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                        • #13
                          The Gleam
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 12028

                          Originally posted by L84CABO

                          So is it better that the sight remain just about unusable and dies a prolonged but certain death? Because that seems to be the way we are headed. Is it not better that the site continue to live in some form or fashion?

                          And I realize the value of the history and IP. Nobody wants to see that gone. But it simply may not be possible to restore this at this point. And if it's not, then what? Do we just let the whole thing die?
                          Seems like it's on it's way to getting better anyway.

                          Definitely more frequent success logging in lately and longer active times without freezing or lag, at many more hours of the day. May be it's turning a corner without sacrificing anything. We'll see.

                          I think if it did sacrifice its historical record and archives for the sake of serving presence only, it would be giving up its soul. Like a once dynamic and prolific extrovert plagued by dementia. It would still be there, still able to acknowledge its own existence, but a shell, living only for today, all the knowledge and memories gone, ability to recollect missing, something akin to the current Bruce Willis. There but not there.

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                          Last edited by The Gleam; 12-14-2024, 1:20 AM.
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                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          • #14
                            jaymz
                            CGSSA Associate
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 6298

                            The historical knowledge here is far more important than “repopulating”.
                            War is when your Government tells you who the enemy is......

                            Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.

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                            • #15
                              Barang
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 12037

                              if this' the best the site could do, i'll take than starting from scratch. it's waaaaaay better now than a week ago.

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