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  • HydraShokHST
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 5

    Revised Flowchart

    I've been a long time lurking member (years) and finally decided to register. I had noticed that due to SB-880 the flowchart was outdated. I made several revisions to it in an attempt to bring it back up to speed. This is by no means me taking credit for the original work of art or claiming to be an expert on law. I hope this effort is welcomed...
    This is a work in progress... 2nd draft.
    ***THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE ***
    ***I AM NOT AN ATTORNY***
    ***I AM NOT AN EXPERT***
    NewChart-1(Print).pdf
    NewChart-2(Print).pdf
    Last edited by HydraShokHST; 03-23-2017, 4:42 PM.
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    CandG
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    • Apr 2014
    • 16970

    Interesting, thanks for this... I'll look it over and see if anything seems inaccurate to me.

    I think we were waiting for the new AW regulations to come out before we published an updated flowchart, as there are still so many unknown answers.
    Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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    • #3
      CandG
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      • Apr 2014
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      Some notes:

      In the top left, you need to clarify "which" ban. There have been several, and rifles registered under this current ban are potentially treated differently than rifles registered under previous bans.

      Also, where it says "does the rifle have a detachable magazine?" should say "does the rifle have a non-fixed magazine?". Detachable is no longer a word used in the PC.

      Rifles with devices that HAVE a non-fixed magazine, but include a magazine lock such as a BB, are legal to own if registered under the current ban, so the flowchart needs something that indicates that.
      Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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      • #4
        HydraShokHST
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 5

        Agreed! Thanks cockedandglocked.
        Also had a realization that no high capacity magazines are allowed, regardless of configuration as high-cap mags themselves are now illegal... correct me if I'm wrong?
        I'll go over the chart again during some downtime at work tomorrow.

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        • #5
          CandG
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          • Apr 2014
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          Originally posted by HydraShokHST
          Also had a realization that no high capacity magazines are allowed, regardless of configuration as high-cap mags themselves are now illegal... correct me if I'm wrong?
          You're not wrong, but keep in mind that it's only an AW violation (felony) if the large-cap magazine is in a fixed-magazine rifle. Otherwise, in a feaureless or RAW rifle, it's a simple large-cap magazine violation (infraction/misdemeanor wobbler). Still illegal, but there's a not-negligible difference between a $100 citation and 4-8 years in prison.
          Last edited by CandG; 03-21-2017, 8:03 PM.
          Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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          • #6
            HydraShokHST
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 5

            Originally posted by cockedandglocked
            You're not wrong, but keep in mind that it's only an AW violation (felony) if the large-cap magazine is in a fixed-magazine rifle. Otherwise, in a feaureless or RAW rifle, it's a simple large-cap magazine violation (infraction/misdemeanor wobbler). Still illegal, but there's a not-negligible difference between a $100 citation and 4-8 years in prison.
            Check out the PDF's I've attached to the original post... they've been revised with your recommendations.
            Last edited by HydraShokHST; 03-22-2017, 7:34 PM.

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            • #7
              sovereign2b
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 711

              Thanks, Hydra!

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              • #8
                lehn20
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 2355

                Got a few spelling errors in there

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                • #9
                  HydraShokHST
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 5

                  Originally posted by lehn20
                  Got a few spelling errors in there
                  I quickly skimmed it and only found one typo... "Califonira" in the military personnel bubble... are you seeing any others?

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                  • #10
                    Carcassonne
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 4897

                    Originally posted by HydraShokHST
                    I quickly skimmed it and only found one typo... "Califonira" in the military personnel bubble... are you seeing any others?
                    It's Engrish.


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                    • #11
                      Dvrjon
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                      • Nov 2012
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                      Typos, Second Page, only:

                      Appendix A:
                      -"Bushmaster"
                      -"Made in Spain: CETME Sporter"

                      Appendix B:
                      -"Knights: SR-25 (all)"

                      Appendix C:
                      -"Hess Arms: Model (add space) 47 (all)"
                      -"Valmet" (delete space)

                      Top Right box:
                      -Category 2, line 4: lower case "v." for court case.
                      -Also, recommend italics: "Harrott v. County of Kings"

                      Bottom Left Box:
                      Characteristics of Flash Suppressor:
                      -Second line, seventh word s/b "device"
                      -Third line, first word, s/b possessive "shooter's"

                      Characteristics of a muzzle brake:
                      -Last line, third word s/b possessive: "firearm's"

                      Bottom Right Box:
                      Definition of a "Pistol Grip"
                      -Begin paragraph with a quotation mark, and add comma after closing quotation mark: "A pistol grip that protrudes...of the weapon,"

                      Nice job!

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                      • #12
                        CandG
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                        • Apr 2014
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                        Aside from the aforementioned typos, it all looks correct to me as far as I can tell, great work
                        Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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                        • #13
                          CandG
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                          Just be aware that it might soon change a little bit, pending the yet-to-be-determined AW registration regulations. For example, in the now-withdrawn regulations, AW's registered in 2017 supposedly required a "non-detachable" magazine, in other words the DOJ was saying the bullet buttons had to stay on, meanwhile <2016 RAWs wouldn't have required non-detachable magazines.

                          No point in changing your flowchart yet though, because we don't know what (if anything) will apply differently to 2017 RAWs versus <2016 RAWs.
                          Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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                          • #14
                            HydraShokHST
                            Junior Member
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 5

                            Originally posted by Dvrjon
                            Typos, Second Page, only:
                            Stormed through the second page rather hurriedly... will hopefully have time to make those corrections tomorrow.
                            Thanks for all the input everyone!

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                            • #15
                              Can'thavenuthingood
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 5246

                              Its a depressing chart.

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