Hold Up Men

[Glock Girl in CA]

This write-up has circulated virulently online. It has become a thing of golden value in the gun community, as it is written by a "Burned Out LEO", as he calls himself. I love it because it gave me a formula for when to bluff/ when to draw/when to shoot. (I'm a concealed carrier in the great state of Nevada.) It examines the psychology and social construction of the armed robber. I think I'm way more likely to be confronted by this unsavory character than I am by a serial killer or serial rapist (though a hold up man may also commit these crimes).

The piece was actually a post on ar15.com, and it generated 30 pages of discussion. Much of it is "yes, he's giving good advice because it worked for me" or "I've encountered hold up men and here's what happened" - all of which I find interesting and useful. Read it. Then read it again. Then call up your little sisters and make them sit and listen as you read it to them. I did. It was too good not to. I'll be excited to hear from you to see what you think!
GG

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1285487_Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics.html&page=1

[Delfuego]

Thank you for this link!

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[HighLander51]

You are over thinking it. If someone points a gun at you, or breaches your front door, shoot them. That's it. Be prepared to spend the next several years in civil court, and spend about $50,000...

Shooting people is bad business in CA.

[Glock Girl in CA]

I'm in NV... But still, CCW in CA should find this useful.

[MRS. BANG BANG]

good points he made, regardless if you have a ccw.

[kcjr1125]

good read!

[jeremiah12]

I read it and it is spot on as the Brits would say. My first step-father was the type of scumbag described and tried to groom me to follow in his footsteps. It was a very long story from a long time ago, but he was one of the serial rapists and all around dirtbag that made the Santa Cruz area the murder and crime capital of the US in the early 70's. He was extremely good at hiding his true self from others, including my mom because he was a trained psych nurse and picked his victims carefully. I learned that the ones that did not become his victims were the ones that were not polite to him on that first encounter.

Treat all strangers as the enemy, trust no one. I also learned that by the time you see the barrel of their gun, it is too late. They need to see your gun before you ever see their gun. The law does not apply to the street. When driving any where, always now who is behind you, and not just the car directly behind you, but all the cars behind you. Are there any that make all the same turns you do? If so, know your area well enough so you can drive directly to a LE agency. With smart phones and GPS devices, it is even easier these days.

When approaching your house, if you think someone might be following you, do not pull into your driveway, keep driving. I live near a small grocery store, so I drive to that parking lot and wait for the car to drive on by. Then I wait for a couple of minutes then go home. I have only done this a couple of times in the 20 years I have lived here. The more you do these things the more they will become second nature.

Next time you go out into a crowd, watch people. Most are too busy on their cell phones or talking to their friends and do not notice the few people that are hanging around staring at them and watching their every move. Every mall parking lot I have been to has a couple of people that just hang out and walk around looking into the cars looking for ones that are not locked.

[LittleOldLady]

I read it and it is spot on as the Brits would say. My first step-father was the type of scumbag described and tried to groom me to follow in his footsteps. It was a very long story from a long time ago, but he was one of the serial rapists and all around dirtbag that made the Santa Cruz area the murder and crime capital of the US in the early 70's. He was extremely good at hiding his true self from others, including my mom because he was a trained psych nurse and picked his victims carefully. I learned that the ones that did not become his victims were the ones that were not polite to him on that first encounter.

Treat all strangers as the enemy, trust no one. I also learned that by the time you see the barrel of their gun, it is too late. They need to see your gun before you ever see their gun. The law does not apply to the street. When driving any where, always now who is behind you, and not just the car directly behind you, but all the cars behind you. Are there any that make all the same turns you do? If so, know your area well enough so you can drive directly to a LE agency. With smart phones and GPS devices, it is even easier these days.

When approaching your house, if you think someone might be following you, do not pull into your driveway, keep driving. I live near a small grocery store, so I drive to that parking lot and wait for the car to drive on by. Then I wait for a couple of minutes then go home. I have only done this a couple of times in the 20 years I have lived here. The more you do these things the more they will become second nature.

Next time you go out into a crowd, watch people. Most are too busy on their cell phones or talking to their friends and do not notice the few people that are hanging around staring at them and watching their every move. Every mall parking lot I have been to has a couple of people that just hang out and walk around looking into the cars looking for ones that are not locked.

I have been practicing this from the time I was in High School.
Good advice!

[CPRAFAN]

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[BonnieB]

You say " There's been a shooting in my house and I need assistance". Give the address, admit nothing. And that's it.