Yet another PPT question

[kemasa]

That is the policy of the CA DOJ, as well as the CA PC, and there is no reason to exit out and start over again. Each DROS is completely separate, it does not matter the transaction, the link is to submit another DROS for the same person, all of the options remain.

I suspect it is just a learning issue for FFLs since things have changed since 01-Jan-2014.

[r1ghtw1ng]

they mean that they decided to do them as two entirely separate transactions, not that the DES system required them to do so.

The DES system will allow them to do the first PPT, and then immediately do a second PPT wiithout "closing" the DROS. they would do a second PPT and it would allow them to enter the second seller's info, with the buyer's info staying the same.

I've got some good news to share as well.

I asked the FFL again today at the start of the PPT and they flat out insisted since they were two separate transactions, they needed to be DROS'd separately. I didn't push the issue and politely asked if he could "just leave the DROS open and see what happens". I was prepared to pay for the transactions separately.

We finished the PPT, I paid the $35 fee, and we started the purchase paperwork. As he started entering details into the system, he said, "well it looks like we will be able to piggyback the purchase into the DROS system as well saving you $25."

I tipped him $10 & change since he was working about an hour straight on my 2 transactions. Win-win. Looking forward to pick up date in 10 days.

Not sure the FFL wants this info broadcasted since it is not their official policy, but feel free to PM me. It's a shop within a 25 mi radius of Dublin that does SSE's.

[Pauliedad]

Always good to hear a shop fixes its mistake.

[ke6guj]

thats great news.

[jdmstuff]

***UPDATE***
I picked up my guns from the FFL today and asked about the PPT fees they had charged me. They called their DOJ rep who explained to them what the fees were supposed to be and they refunded my overpayment. Final cost for all 3 guns was $55. Thank you all for your help and advise on this.

[kemasa]

It does not matter in the least that it is two separate transactions. If all the DROS are submitted at the same time, there is only one $25 DROS fee.

As others have said, they don't know what they are talking about. Their being stupid does not mean that you should have to pay more.

[ke6guj]

Thanks for the info. I called the FFL in question and they said, since they are 2 separate transactions, they will need to be DROS'd separately. Oh well.

they mean that they decided to do them as two entirely separate transactions, not that the DES system required them to do so.

The DES system will allow them to do the first PPT, and then immediately do a second PPT wiithout "closing" the DROS. they would do a second PPT and it would allow them to enter the second seller's info, with the buyer's info staying the same.

[Baboosh]

How do so many FFLs:
1) Not know the law
2) Not know the system we all spend HOURS a day on?

It isn't January 3rd anymore, there is no excuse to not know the system.

[r1ghtw1ng]

Thanks for the info. I called the FFL in question and they said, since they are 2 separate transactions, they will need to be DROS'd separately. Oh well.

[kemasa]

Yes, if you do the PPT at the same time as the other purchase, there is only one $25 DROS fee.

It is not really up to the FFL. It just matters whether it is done at the same time.

[r1ghtw1ng]

Hypothetical question along these lines:

If I'm planning to purchase a new gun from an FFL, and I want to PPT a gun as well at the same time, is it possible to pay just $35 for the PPT/DROS and get a free DROS on the new gun purchase?

I realize this would be up to the FFL as well.

[kemasa]

They have to run 3 separate DROS since each firearm needs it own DROS, but the issue is how they did it since there is only one $25 DROS fee for any number of firearm transactions done at the same time.

They may not actually know that there is only one $25 DROS fee (if they do it correctly).

If they did not read the documentation and incurred an additional charge because they did not know what they were doing, that is on them.

[jdmstuff]

Thank you Kemasa.
I looked up PC28055 and it does state that the dealer can't charge more than $10 per firearm. I'll bring a copy of that with me, hopefully they won't try to BS me and tell me that it's because they ran 3 separate DROS.

[kemasa]

This is from the CA DOJ firearms web page

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms

Firearms Dealer Information and Tools

NEW DOJ DROS Entry System Firearms Dealership User Guide

Page 67 talk about it:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/dros_entry_guide.pdf

See also page 60, which talks about the fees and being charged extra if they don't do it correctly. This has a picture of the links.

BTW, the FAQ was not been updated so the claim of what the fees are is incorrect.

[jdmstuff]

Is there somewhere on the DOJ's website I can access this info? The problem I forsee is that they're going to say it is what it is and I'm still going to be on the hook for the charges.

BTW, this is a well-known shop that I'm dealing with and they do have their own subforum here. I just don't want to out them until I talk to them when I pick up my guns next week.