Malfunctions

[MurdaJ]

Hello,

Thank everyone in this forum for their service.


Just a question from a noob, but watching some bodycams release the past few years it seems like there are a lot of malfunctions compared to what I've experienced myself, even when "torture" testing my carry gun with long cleaning intervals.

Not trash talking at all, but is there something that comes up under stress that causes this? Limp wristing, bad grip obstructing slide, dirty gun etc? ime, ammo was the cause more than technique or cleanliness, but I've never released lead to end a threat.

[GizmoSD]

[Hateca]

Under life and death adrenaline can lead to poor draw and poor grip or hold. Plus a lot of cops only gun experience is the one they carry and are not very religious on maintaining said gun. Hell I worked with cops the only time they shot and cleaned the thing was at quarterly qualifying.

[5.56]

My post is not gospel, its a small snapshot of a few makes and models of pistols in this world used extensively under multiple variables.

My 2,000 person department has issued all different kinds of semi auto pistols. The most unreliable pistol ever issued per their stats is the Glock Gen 4 G17. That includes malfunctions and mechanical failures. The range staff love how it takes a few minutes to replace any part in them. For continous use as a reissueable firearm, they make financial sense to government bean counters.

All kinds of variables mostly regarding ammo, cleanliness and magazines can be argued for reliability issues. Those were factors in the previously issued pistols also and the glock has been the worst pistol yet. Could this be an ignorant glock "perfection" I don't need to clean my gun mentality? Maybe. But someone could also easily argue glocks are the most reliable pistols ever because of the one guy who has 40,000 rounds through his glock and never cleaned it once after falling out of an airplane into a sperm whales mouth and got ran over by a tank blah blah blah blah blah.....

I have carried a Gen 4 g17 all stock with stock mags and had reliability issues with a clean pistol and federal ammo. I now carry M&P 2.0. In my personal experience, I have far better shooting performance and no reliability issues. I am one person...

[TrailerparkTrash]

Hello,

Thank everyone in this forum for their service.


Just a question from a noob, but watching some bodycams release the past few years it seems like there are a lot of malfunctions compared to what I've experienced myself, even when "torture" testing my carry gun with long cleaning intervals.

I subscribe to every single cop based channel of police shootings and I RARELY see “a lot of malfunctions” that you commented on. That being said, yes it does happen. It usually depends on how the officer is griping the firearm at the time, the condition of the gun (is it kept clean and properly lubed? etc...)

The so called “torture tests” videos in my opinion are 99.9% BOGUS tests, that one will never actually put their gun through in a real life situation. How many “real life” videos have you seen where an officer actually drops his gun completely in sand or mud during the heat of battle or in a fight and it fails to go off when he wants to shoot a bad guy? I can’t think of one single video where I’ve witnessed that.

Again, I’ve seen some videos that I can count on one hand where a cop had to do a “tap and rack,” but I think getting struck by lightening videos are more prevalent.

[Mickael81]

My 2 cents...

Sometimes I induce my own malfunction by digging the slide hard with my support hand thumb.

Glock 17 Gen 5.

[hermosabeach]

Many shooting schools with have a student vs student shoot off


You stand side by side and shoot the same course of fire


It’s amazing how many guns work for 3 days and the stress of shooting steel plates faster than the other person induces a malfunction.


They happen - malfunctions

Take a few classes - learn how to set them up and clear them

Then practice everything you learn in class including malfunction clearances

[Preceptor]

[Samuelx]

Like TPT, I haven't seen "a lot of malfunctions"...

@Preceptor - "tachypsychia" - fancy word! I would offer it could be that OR it could be simply training and/or habit (and if's detrimental, it could be classified as a training scar or bad habit). Racking a slide and possibly ejecting a live round could be accidental/unintentional OR could very well be intentional. I've seen training, for example during weapon retention out of the holster, where racking is only performed after click no bang (in response to a malfunction), and I've seen training where racking is performed every time - before experiencing or checking for a malfunction - just to make sure you're in battery and the next round is good to go.