Another AW Ban

[Grakken]

Why do some people think that AW ban part 2 wont happen? I truly think it will happen within the first year of the Jr Senators term. Im sure it will be written to not have a sunset eiether.

My question is, could the next president (after the socialist) or congress, strike it down? even though we all know that wont happen, just want to know if it is possible.

I dont see how anyone on this board could vote for a gun grabber.


I dont know about you guys but i will be saving my money to buy some of the guns that are sure to be on the chopping block after the punk takes control. I have enough AR's, im talking about other firearms.

I'm only voting McCain to cancel out a Obama.

Side Question: For those who vote for Obama, will you still post here when the AW Ban pt 2 is passed with his blessing? Listen to his words, he favors 'sensible' gun restrictions and that word to a person like Obama translates to 'you can own a red rider' but everything else are belong to us.

I really dislike this guy.

/rantoff

[bwiese]

The pro-vs-anti gun composition of Congress will stay in roughly the same balance too: just because a Democrat has replaced/may replace a Republican doesn't mean the gun stance of that 'seat' changes - that's a function of region. In 2006 elections the offices that changed hands from R to D had pro-gun D replacements. An example of how the current Congress is positioned: many of these folks (except for that idiot Ron Paul) voted for Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, and the only gun-related bill that could come out after the Va Tech tragedy was the NICS improvement bill (which actually allows prohibited veterans to recover their gun rights)

New broad Fed gun bans laws like AW bans after Heller decision ain't gonna happen.

For gunnies, the election is all about who will be nominated to the Supremes: 'living document' types (Obama), or original intent types, those who will help reaffirm Heller by fleshing it out in future cases instead of trying to poke holes in it.

[Wizard99]

Bill, you don't think that if the D's pick up more seats in the house that Pelosi and her ilk will put pressure on some of those southern D's to vote for the bill. You know throw a little pork their way. I agree that it is not a sure thing for them to pass a new ban due to the result of the last ban (ie loss of control of the house). But I don't believe that it is a sure thing they will not try and may possibly pass a new ban.

[vf111]

Even if the seats in Congress stay the same in terms of pro and anti, there may be a big difference post November 4th and the timeline of the VA Tech tragedy happened and the Lawful Commerce bill passage: some guy who's initials are BHO could be living in the White House.

[vf111]

I dont know about you guys but i will be saving my money to buy some of the guns that are sure to be on the chopping block after the punk takes control. I have enough AR's, im talking about other firearms.

Count on even the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine on a new AW ban list, at least in the first draft.

[Texas Boy]

On the Supremes, I take comfort in the fact that the 4 justices most likely to retire are liberal. If Obama wins (which seems likely), and gets to appoint some justices, most likely these will be the more liberal (living document type) seats and he will replace like for like. It is unlikely Obama would alter the balance on the court.

Obviously Heller was a very narrow decision, so the opportunity for McCain to appoint more original intent types is huge, but I don't see it happening.

Back to an AW v2 ban. If Obama wins, he is going to have his hands full the first few years with the economy, pulling out of Iraq, dealing with Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. That gives Heller time to ripple through the courts and we can see how far reaching it is or is not. I think the real threat is if the economy rebounds and Obama gets a 2nd term....

-Mark

[Grakken]

Back to an AW v2 ban. If Obama wins, he is going to have his hands full the first few years with the economy, pulling out of Iraq, dealing with Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. That gives Heller time to ripple through the courts and we can see how far reaching it is or is not. I think the real threat is if the economy rebounds and Obama gets a 2nd term....

-Mark

It doesnt take long to sign your name on a document. Im sure the Fineswines and boxlickers with the help of the Bradys in the Senate will 'write' the bill.

[Texas Boy]

It doesnt take long to sign your name on a document. Im sure the Fineswines and boxlickers with the help of the Bradys in the Senate will 'write' the bill.

Yes, but they will be busy writing economic policy. Writing a bill is easy, writing one that can muster enough votes to pass and keep the lobbyist satisfied takes a great deal of time...

[Jpach]

I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read this thread title. They think it wont happen yet last time I checked it was on the Demo's agenda to make another "common sense" AW ban. I dont know how creating a hardcore AW ban is common sense when it is a known fact that the last one had no real impact on crime besides making it possible to create criminals out of law-abiding constitution-loving individuals

[rayra]

reasonable chance that there'll be filibuster-proof socialist margins in both houses, and IIRC the 111th Congress convenes ~2 weeks before the PResident is inaugurated. And if it's Obama I expect a PERMANENT AWB to be sitting on his desk waiting for him to sign immediately.

/if they can squander a trillion dollars in a week, they sure as hell can dust off one of McCarthy's / Biden's anti-gun bills. Hell, MCCarthy's certainly already got it written, just as she did before the PA/SLC shootings, when she whipped out the bills <12hrs later in an attempt to surf them in on a wave of blood.

[Gryff]

The pro-vs-anti gun composition of Congress will stay in roughly the same balance too: just because a Democrat has replaced/may replace a Republican doesn't mean the gun stance of that 'seat' changes - that's a function of region. In 2006 elections the offices that changed hands from R to D had pro-gun D replacements. An example of how the current Congress is positioned: many of these folks (except for that idiot Ron Paul) voted for Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, and the only gun-related bill that could come out after the Va Tech tragedy was the NICS improvement bill (which actually allows prohibited veterans to recover their gun rights)

New broad Fed gun bans laws like AW bans after Heller decision ain't gonna happen.

I respectfully disagree. I think that pro-gun Democrats are not guaranteed to stand their ground. The current system has a president who is likely to override liberal legislation with a veto. Therefore, some things don't go to his desk because the Dems don't need another embarassing loss.

If Obama is elected, that checks-and-balances situation changes. All sorts of fun stuff will go to the Obama's desk that they wouldn't dare send to Bush's. And for the pro-gun Dems, how many of them have gun ownership as their premier priority? Are you sure they won't sacrifice unyielding protection of current gun-owern rights in exchange for the opportunity to advance other causes important to them?

Additionally, no SCOTUS decision is ever really safe because none is all-encompassing. Heller is a victory for us, but it isn't an all-powerful gift from God. If it were, then why can't you own a semi-auto pistol in Washington, D.C. still?

I worry because the Dems are going to feel like kids in a candy store, and will act accordingly.

[Glock22Fan]

Any actuaries on this site?

My guess is that if you take any bunch of five people the ages of the "pro" justices, there's a significant possibility of one (or more) of them dying in any four year period.

Anyone relying on all five surviving until the presidency changes hands yet again could be in for a nasty shock.

[tetris]

Obama isn't going to write an AW ban. But if one comes across his desk, you can bet your first born he will sign it. This is sort of his implicit method of avoiding 100% blame for his reelection in 2012.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

New broad Fed gun bans laws like AW bans after Heller decision ain't gonna happen.

Hmn. Really?

[Rck'n'ROll]

Bill Weiss

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul91.html

Hey Bill W. read the above short statement and you will understand why Ron Paul did what he did!

Ron Paul really is the man and should be treated as such.