ATF violates injunction and invades!

[DRH]

So you agree that Ares my not have done anything wrong?


And that taught many of you a lesson, didnt it.

I felt the same way about the open carry. Knew what was going to happen. But I would never condemn them, for the actions of the ones who wright supposed "law".



And then there are those who thy to change that reality "one way", opposed to "the other", then accuse those who support it of trying to start "the other" while pushing fear of a lost right, and fear of atf.

Many gun owning liberals after obamas attempt to take them, now call themselves libertarian.

When I used "either" I was referring to home builders not Ares. In my opinion Ares used bad judgement, everything else will have to be worked out in court.

Yes, its tricky and there are many shades of gray among the black and white extremes. If discretion and being under the radar allows us to remain off the CA legislative agenda calendar then I am for it. Many will and do disagree with that tactic. In my opinion, we are still far too free to even consider a shooting war at this point and that last resort option hopefully will never arrive. The revolution rhetoric while possibly entertaining adds little to the discussions. Everyone is free to pick and choose their own proverbial line in the sand and their reaction when that line is crossed. Non compliance like seen in CT is the first step, not armed revolution.

I am not sure how many Democrats became Libertarians, hopefully many. I think most of the Libertarians are registered Republicans like myself or independents.

[=Mike=]

If discretion and being under the radar allows us to remain off the CA legislative agenda calendar then I am for it. Many will and do disagree with that tactic.

They are pushing for registration of everything.

I seriously doubt staying under the radar would have avoided this for long.

Leaving this undone would have voided their push for registration.

BTW, I dont recall any billboards or media bring attention to rebuild kits.

In my opinion, we are still far too free to even consider a shooting war at this point and that last resort option hopefully will never arrive. The revolution rhetoric while possibly entertaining adds little to the discussions. Everyone is free to pick and choose their own proverbial line in the sand and their reaction when that line is crossed. Non compliance like seen in CT is the first step, not armed revolution.

I would bet that that is the general consensus. But im glad you clarified, you were beginning to concern me.

[krwada]

I am not sure how many Democrats became Libertarians, hopefully many. I think most of the Libertarians are registered Republicans like myself or independents.

I would take what others spout on the Internets with a big boulder of salt. As far as I can see, the EVIDENCE tends supports your thesis. Not Mike's thesis.

Some of the largest contributions to the Libertarian effort is supported by the extreme Left wing big money types. From what I can see; it appears that they think they can do the Ralph Nader thing to the Republican Party much as the right wing did to the Democratic Party in 2000.

From what I can tell, I think most folks of the Libertarian bent, (many of whom are Tea Party folk), are a bit smarter than that. I am guessing that many of the Libertarians are making their voices heard during primaries ... for any states that have open primaries.

As a voter; it is very easy to switch sides at any time. I think most Libertarians know this. Also, I think a lot of Libertarians are also registered Republicans.

Do not quote me on that last statement ... it is just a hunch of mine.

[krwada]

Libertarian

I am not sure how many Democrats became Libertarians, hopefully many. I think most of the Libertarians are registered Republicans like myself or independents.

I would take what others spout on the Internets with a big boulder of salt. As far as I can see, the EVIDENCE tends supports your thesis. Not Mike's thesis.

Some of the largest contributions to the Libertarian effort is supported by the extreme Left wing big money types. From what I can see; it appears that they think they can do the Ralph Nader thing to the Republican Party much as the right wing did to the Democratic Party in 2000.

From what I can tell, I think most folks of the Libertarian bent, (many of whom are Tea Party folk), are a bit smarter than that. I am guessing that many of the Libertarians are making their voices heard during primaries ... for any states that have open primaries.

As a voter; it is very easy to switch sides at any time. I think most Libertarians know this. Also, I think a lot of Libertarians are also registered Republicans.

Do not quote me on that last statement ... it is just a hunch of mine.

[=Mike=]

I would take what others spout on the Internets with a big boulder of salt. As far as I can see, the EVIDENCE tends supports your thesis. Not Mike's thesis.

Some of the largest contributions to the Libertarian effort is supported by the extreme Left wing big money types. From what I can see; it appears that they think they can do the Ralph Nader thing to the Republican Party much as the right wing did to the Democratic Party in 2000.

From what I can tell, I think most folks of the Libertarian bent, (many of whom are Tea Party folk), are a bit smarter than that. I am guessing that many of the Libertarians are making their voices heard during primaries ... for any states that have open primaries.

As a voter; it is very easy to switch sides at any time. I think most Libertarians know this. Also, I think a lot of Libertarians are also registered Republicans.

Do not quote me on that last statement ... it is just a hunch of mine.

I dont think you have a true grasp on the similaritys of liberals and libertarians, or the hatred liberals have for conservatives.(MOST of whom are Tea Party folk).

You're talking nation wide, Im talking this forum. They have pretty much gone into hiding, or switching their status to libertarian sense obamas push for gun control after Sandy Hook, which happened in a state full of gun control.

As far as drh, he shows many characteristics of a liberal. Like making someone out to be a wright wing revolutionary extremist terrorist, which a libertarian, or conservative would not do based on what was said.

Then again, you may need more than 9 months to see it.

[LBDamned]

I dont think you have a true grasp on the similaritys of liberals and libertarians,

enlighten us...

[=Mike=]

enlighten us...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=13669517&postcount=34

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=13670589&postcount=40

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=907006

Is that all you do is bounce around expecting someone to enlighten you?

Enlighten your damn self for a change.

[LBDamned]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...7&postcount=34

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=907006

Is that all you do is bounce around expecting someone to enlighten you?

Enlighten your damn self for a change.

really?... you make a unsubstantiated comment - then follow up with a couple of CGN links and an asinine remark?... Brilliant.

I'm far from liberal... definitely not Republican and consider myself Libertarian... There are very few values I hold that are remotely in line with a traditional liberal view...

BTW, where do you get the idea that I bounce around expecting someone to enlighten me? It's very possible you are a bit confused on several issues.

[=Mike=]

really?... you make a unsubstantiated comment - then follow up with a couple of CGN links and an asinine remark?... Brilliant.

I'm far from liberal... definitely not Republican and consider myself Libertarian... There are very few values I hold that are remotely in line with a traditional liberal view...

BTW, where do you get the idea that I bounce around expecting someone to enlighten me? It's very possible you are a bit confused on several issues.

Not as confused as you think, sense I knew you were a libertarian 3 posts ago.

[LBDamned]

Not as confused as you think, sense I knew you were a libertarian 3 posts ago.

why, because I call BS when I see it?... pretty accurate evaluation...

its also accurate to note that when someone has no answer they dance around the question.

[=Mike=]

why, because I call BS when I see it?... pretty accurate evaluation...

its also accurate to note that when someone has no answer they dance around the question.

Outsider.

[goober]

S/N has diminished to near zero on this thread... see y'all.

[Kestryll]

S/N has diminished to near zero on this thread... see y'all.

Yup.