DEFCON 1- A PD chased guy,tossed gun,retrieved ,ran it, gun I sold to DEALER in 2010/

[NorCalDustin]

Sounds to me like, as the last registered owner, the cops would like to know if you would like your gun back. It happens very rarely.

That would indicate an unlawful transfer took place... It could be an attempt to bait the OP into admitting he unlawfully transferred a firearm.

You'd have to be an idiot to request it be returned.

[DisgruntledReaper]

I dont want it back ...
In reality... I think it would go back to the Dealer...

I dont think it would be coming back to me period, i just want to be sure i dont get any surprises down the road like that posted by Dutch3. That gun is now tainted in a 'not good ' way .......

[Dutch3]

I dont think it would be coming back to me period, i just want to be sure i dont get any surprises down the road like that posted by Dutch3. That gun is now tainted in a 'not good ' way .......

It is good that LE has initiated contact with you regarding the gun. Very much preferable to being served a warrant in the middle of the night.

Hopefully, it doesn't end up being connected to some crime committed before they recovered it. I wonder how the dealer is going to explain how he is no longer in possession of it.

[Doheny]

Get a hold of yourself, brother! Defcon 1?

I hate to see how you'll react when the stuff really hits the fan and the world's coming to an end.

[taperxz]

It is good that LE has initiated contact with you regarding the gun. Very much preferable to being served a warrant in the middle of the night.

Hopefully, it doesn't end up being connected to some crime committed before they recovered it. I wonder how the dealer is going to explain how he is no longer in possession of it.

Easy! Put it on gunbroker, send it to a Nevada buyer via FFL, buyer moves here and commits a crime or it gets Sold person to person in Nevada (no paper work) to criminal in CA and the gun comes back

[Dutch3]

Yes, I suppose it going out of state is the feasible explanation for it being in CA without another CA DOJ record.

Yet the first dealer would have logged it out to wherever it was sent, no?

[longhairchris]

If they don't want to destroy it or keep it as evidence, get the gun back and sell it to a reputable dealer. The other dealer obviously did something wrong. Do you really want the gun returned to that guy? If it were me, I'd want the paper trail to go elsewhere.

I wonder if the PD would refuse to return the gun to that dealer, because it's in their system you are the registered owner.

[JDay]

Calm down, they did a trace and it stopped at you. They only contacted you to find out who you sold it to. Dealer probably sold it out of state which would explain why CA DOJ thinks you still own it since no DROS was done when it was sold. Happens all the time.

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[FatCity67]

Reminds me of the airplane scene where everyone gets a turn slapping the crap out of the old lady freaking out.

[taperxz]

Yes, I suppose it going out of state is the feasible explanation for it being in CA without another CA DOJ record.

Yet the first dealer would have logged it out to wherever it was sent, no?

Maybe they didn't contact the dealer yet? Sounds like they are getting info from DOJ records only. It's been said that even DOJ records can be wildly inaccurate too.

[Tripper]

And the new DROS might just not be in the system yet

[littlejake]

It's supposed to be on the Dealer's federal book -- even if sold out of state.

CADOJ records are really a mess; they are unreliable.

[DisgruntledReaper]

Maybe they didn't contact the dealer yet? Sounds like they are getting info from DOJ records only. It's been said that even DOJ records can be wildly inaccurate too.

Well after reading some of the replies I do not find that hard to believe..... nothing with 'the system' is inspiring any confidence in any way shape or form.... just a train flying off the tracks.....

Specially how i just read the NLIP paperwork and it states that the DOJ may not be able to release 'you' as the owner if ANY part or bit of info is in error....
Also the news to me that we as owners are responsible for filling out the NLIP and sending it in..... and the FFL supposedly does not do anything accept possibly writing it in their book!? WTFH!

I am calming down a bit... still would like to spend 15 with the perp who had it and clear all this up

[curtisfong]

All I can say is, your concern is not completely unfounded. Watch your ***. Keep everything VERY well documented, including any and all conversations with both LEO and the DOJ.

The only person who cares about the truth is *you*. You'll find that LEO doesn't, the DOJ doesn't, and most importantly, the courts don't.

[vincewarde]

All I can say is, your concern is not completely unfounded. Watch your ***. Keep everything VERY well documented, including any and all conversations with both LEO and the DOJ.

Very good advice. I would record and document everything, plus I would look hard for the paperwork.

The only person who cares about the truth is *you*. You'll find that LEO doesn't, the DOJ doesn't, and most importantly, the courts don't.

I think that may be a bit harsh - however, it is true that they are - at a minimum - going to consider whatever story the available evidence supports to be the truth.

Frankly, your biggest worry is that the dealer you sold the gun to is (or was) selling guns out the back door without any paperwork. If this is what happened, he would not enter it in his bound book, and absent a receipt you might have a problem. HOWEVER, this is very unlikely. After all, how would this dealer know you would not have a receipt?

If you know the dealer you sold the firearm to and the approximate date, I would tell them and ask them to check with the dealer. Remember that if this handgun was not on the current list, or on ATF's C&R list, the dealer would have no legal option but to sell it out of state or to a cop. CA DOJ would not know a sale to an out of state dealer had happened and would still show you as the legal owner. Nothing says it could not have made its' way back into CA after being sold in another state.

Let's all hope and pray (if you do that) that this is the case.