PROCEDURES DONE PRIOR TO POLICE EXECUTING WARRANT ON GUN OWNERS HOUSE

[Ron-Solo]

In your case they would probably call your Mom ahead of time...It is her basement after all.

LMAO!


Having served my share of warrants over the years, I can honestly say that there is no way in blazes that I would call ahead. The concept is ludicrous.

Warrants endorsed for night service (between 10 pm and 7 am) are very rare and not generally issued except in crimes of violence. "No Knock" warrants are even rarer and not as prevalent as some on this forum would like to think. In 32 years I only participated in one, and the suspect was wanted on multiple murders.

[Gunjunkie078]

OP - take some advice...

I'm sorry I clicked on the video and wasn't available can you please repost thanks bud

[Gunjunkie078]

LMAO!


Having served my share of warrants over the years, I can honestly say that there is no way in blazes that I would call ahead. The concept is ludicrous.

Warrants endorsed for night service (between 10 pm and 7 am) are very rare and not generally issued except in crimes of violence. "No Knock" warrants are even rarer and not as prevalent as some on this forum would like to think. In 32 years I only participated in one, and the suspect was wanted on multiple murders.

what would you say in reference to the case of us marine Jose Guerena ??

US Marine Jose Guerena was shot twenty-two times by a SWAT team planning to execute a search warrant. He retrieved a legally possessed rifle in response to sudden intruders, likely concerned for his family's safety, and the SWAT team opened fire on him before establishing any communication. The team later retracted its initial claims he had opened fire when it was established that Guerena had never fired and his safety was still on. The police refused to allow paramedics to access Guerena for more than hour, leaving Guerena to bleed to death, alone, in his own home. Members of the SWAT team subsequently hired legal defense and a large following of fellow Marines held a memorial service at his home with his widow.

[Ron-Solo]

I'd say Guerena, based on what I've read, was involved in narco activity that cost him his life, based on decisions he made.

This supect has been beat about ad nauseum and every thread has ended up being locked, just like this one will be soon.

Just because someone is or was in the USMC doesn't make them a good person. Check out Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman, both former Marines.

[Gunjunkie078]

I'd say Guerena, based on what I've read, was involved in narco activity that cost him his life, based on decisions he made.

This supect has been beat about ad nauseum and every thread has ended up being locked, just like this one will be soon.

Just because someone is or was in the USMC doesn't make them a good person. Check out Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman, both former Marines.

why didnt they find any evidence and drugs like they said in the house ?
idk i can just say cops are humans and arent perfect i know... no knocks should be banned besides hostage situations or drug warrants

[Ron-Solo]

why didnt they find any evidence and drugs like they said in the house ?

Guerena was part of a larger group of individuals involved in selling narco, multiple warrants are often served, and sometimes the evidence is not found at every location

idk i can just say cops are humans and arent perfect i know... no knocks should be banned besides hostage situations or drug warrants

"no knock" warrants are very rare, and are usually only issued when there is strong evidence to support that the suspects are armed and likely to resist. They are rarely issued for just narcotics.

Guerena wasn't a "no knock" warrant.

I've been on warrants where we actually made a buy from the location earlier, but when we got the warrant, all their dope was on back order.

[Burbur]

Why are you laughing lol ? I'm just saying if someone goes into my house @ 2 in the morning unannounced breaking a door I would shoot first ask questions later ? What if it's cops ?

Simple answer to part 2, you die.

Depending on circumstances, part 1 is sketchy, at best. The phrase "asking questions" can mean internal dialogue too. Ask yourself "is my life in danger?"

[Corsair415]

if the police come into your house unannounced, without identifying themselves as police before or after they kick the door down, I would think you can "rightfully" shoot them as they didnt identify themselves. I dont really know how it would work, but I would imagine that they would yell "police", FBI, whatever a couple times once inside and you would know. They dont want you to shoot at them just as much as you dont want to shoot them

There are states with common sense laws that protect homeowners that kill cops in situations like that. Don't think CA is one of them.

[Nick5811]

From the ones I've seen on COPS, it usually goes something like "POLICE! SEARCH(door kick/*RAM*RAM*)WARRANT!".

But like others (including RS) have said, it doesn't happen enough to worry about, and your chances of winning the lottery are probably higher than having a no-knock warrant with night service served on your house accidentally.

(BTW, I'm starting to see why some people are getting irritated by new members with low post counts.)

[bwiese]

All handguns have to be registered here in California.

No they don't, sonny.

Shut up before you talk without facts, and you might stay ahead of the game.

I have a whole bagful of unregistered handguns, all perfectly legal.

Handgun acquisitions are papered if bought at a CA dealer. Handguns could be acquired/transferred in CA, without paperwork, between private parties before 1991. And individuals could move into CA up until 1998 with handguns and not have them 'papered' to them. From a DOJ Firearms presentation back in 2004 by the director, I'd say ~1/3 the handguns within CA

[Anchors]

+1 to the person that said barricade your door extremely well. A few extra moments can help,
Look out the window, see a bunch of cop cars? Then it is real.
See a green 1995 Chevy Suburban and 2-4 guys with balaclavas and fake "POLICE" shirts they bought in downtown LA and you're probably in for trouble.

If you have enough time, you can even try calling 911

[Wherryj]

I understand the steps that need to be taken prior to the search warrant. My question is do they call the GUNOWNER prior to entering ? That way the GUNOWNER doesn't think someone is breaking into they're house when its actually the police ?

I believe the typical protocol is:
1. Kick in the door without notice.
2. Shoot anyone acting "suspicious".
3. Recheck warrant for the address.
4. Leave that home and go to the correct one.
5. Repeat until you have the person named in the warrant.

[Wherryj]

There's nothing hard to understand about that..... I will never intentionally shoot a cop.... But if it's at midnight they show up unannounced and I don't know who it is it's a hard choice it's the safety of my family first .... Yes they may be cops and if theyre not ?

Even worse, the ONLY people who would know to expect the police were breaking into the house are those who have reason to have the police break into their house. A homeowner getting served at their home by mistake has absolutely NO reason to expect that it will be "the authorities".

But, hey, I guess that's the price we ALL have to pay if we don't want someone to have the time to flush those drugs down the toilet, right? After all, what's more important getting the evidence or not shooting the wrong person?