Executive Orders for Gun Control: From Bidens Mouth; Biden Committee

[Wherryj]

Good for you.

Unfortunately, the men and women in LE are just people like you and me. They make mistakes, lots of them. Sometimes things are done somewhat outside of the law to justify a specific ends with good intentions

If you think that LE doesn't profile... You are a fool.

If you "look shady" you WILL be looked at closer and more often. Each detainment increases the chance of an arrest.

Not everyone is connected like David Gregory and can commit a premeditated crime on nationwide tv and get away with it.

There are so many laws on the books, there is at least a 50% chance you can be found to have done something wrong.

Do you always follow posted speed limits?

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If you do NOT ALWAYS obey the posted limit, are you aware that in most places there are thresholds that turn a mere traffic infraction into a criminal charge?

There are FAR too many laws on the books for ANYONE to know even a tiny fraction of them. Even worse is the fact that most of the laws are written by people with less intelligence and reading comprehension skills than my four year old son. Even if you DO know about the law, do you actually understand not only what it says, but what the local authorities THINK that it says?

[thominator]

This is for real the video is here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html

Or you can find the link on the Drudge report etc.

Has anyone drafted a plea letter to LEO's asking then to not comply with this action for obvious reasons but most importantly for their safety ?

The LEO's I have worked with and am personal friends with know what could happen to them and are very nervous about the situation.

Here is a letter from a LEO in response to the recent Iowa bill to ban and confiscate semi-auto weapons:

Article about an Iowa legislator who will be pushing for a gun ban, buy-back/turn in, followed by confiscation.

http://www.carrollspaper.com/m...ID=1&ArticleID=14934

The article and drivel is the same old knee jerk liberal reaction and talking points. What I found refreshing was one of the sentiments expressed in the comments to the article. Refreshing to actually hear the words coming from a cop on where they stand. i am hopeful that all across the country these sentiments are the majority of those sworn to protect and serve.

"I have a very close friend in the DMPD, who asked that I post this here for him, as he fears reprisals:

"Why is ii ugly statist trolls are always so eager to get us law officers killed for their beliefs? You got another thing coming creep if you think myself or my fellow officers are going to commit suicide by carrying out any such illegal order.

You'd have us trample on essential liberties, and put everything we hold dear at risk.

My kids have to go to school with the people you want me to kick the doors in on. My wife works with the people you want me to gun-down. My house is right next to all the families you'd have me assault - yes I said ASSAULT.

No way. No d*&^ way. These are my neighbors, friends, and family. We work our collective butts off, trying to keep these people safe! You'd have us turn our weapons on them?

I, and most of my fellow officers will not be a party to this. We are PEACE KEEPERS. We are SHEEP-DOGS.

We are not "goons" or "stormtroopers" at the beckon call of some schmuck out to make his name by chasing tragedies.

If you want to disarm the people of Iowa, then you strap on a vest, and take them yourself you authoritarian coward.

In fact if it comes to that, you can have MINE, cause I will quit, and a hell of alot of my comrades will stand right alongside me. Your stupid anti-liberty agenda is not worth my blood, the blood of my fellow officers, or the blood my my family.

Take them yourself"

[tba02]

The layman in me thinks they will toss anything they can out there and see what is left in the end. EA/EO, legislation at local, state and federal. They want "a win" anyway they can get it and will try them all, even if rhetorically.

So yeah, hearing EA/EO being considered is certainly valid for sharing to the public.

[OlderThanDirt]

That is not a good standard, most politicians don't meet the Brady's idea of what should be.

Is everyone ignoring the way tax codes can be used to affect ownership of any little thing?

I brought this up on another thread. No JBT confiscating guns. Just the IRS ensuring compliance with whatever is in an EO. Don't want to comply? Look forward to frozen bank accounts, no health care, etc.

I recall several people have gone down for not having a little $200 tax stamp. Consider what one faces with a violation of the NFA.

Violations of the Act are punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison and forfeiture of all devices or firearms in violation, and the individual's right to own or possess firearms in the future. The Act provides for a penalty of $10,000 for certain violations. A willful attempt to evade or defeat a tax imposed by the Act is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine ($500,000 in the case of a corporation or trust), under the general tax evasion statute. For an individual, the felony fine of $100,000 for tax evasion could be increased to $250,000.

Or in other words, we will destroy you if you do not comply. I can see people begging to turn in their firearms under expanded NFA categories.

[BigMac]

I would be willing to bet a box of .223 there is no EO. Oh wait there are no boxes of .223 to bet because with Joe and other politicians blowing hit air everything is being bought for 1000% higher prices.

Hmmm... Ahhhh... I get it, guns are effectively banned because there are no guns or ammo to buy because everyone is sold out LOL!

Ahmmm I sold 50 boxes yesterday at regular pre stupid prices.. There is 223 for a few minutes anyway

[bwiese]

Pretty much can't reclassify guns without Senate+Congressional action.

Broadly, "what a gun is" is a legal definition via statute.

EOs could affect NICS processing/data gathering, certainly import matters and other procedural ATF stuff.

[Manolito]

Today is not what drives men mad it is the fear and dread of tomorrow that allows them to become crazy.

Lets do what we can today and each following day.

Executive order is what they see as possible. Biden has already said Bill Clinton learned a very valuable lesson about weapons bans. Clinton in a State of the Union address stated some are not here tonight because they signed on for the assault weapons ban. This is a lesson all elected officials learn. If you vote to take our guns your chance of re-election is in jeopardy. There are a lot of Democrats that hunt and own guns nobody wants to alienate those people.

[bwiese]

REPEAT AFTER ME: there will be no executive action. There will be a weak middle of the road approach that includes a greater than 10 round mag ban, background checks for PPTs, and expansion of the use of the national mental health database. There is simple NOT congressional support out there for more than that.

Generally agree as long as we keep our strength up - and don't let the 'duck hunter types' screw us over in PR arena.

[wintersborn]

Thanks for sharing Thominator.

I do not wish to instigate threatening talk against LEO's but they know what will happen. Two of my fiends are good men and will not participate but it is a very touchy subject at CHP and in local PD here.

I think if more LEO's had the courage to go on public record, many more would back them up. If there was a majority on this issue, then I think they would be safe from persecution.

It has got to start somewhere with someone.

[OleCuss]

I'm glad you all think they cannot reclassify the weapons. I hate to tell you that the Democrats have been discussing doing that for quite some time.

And who, exactly, is going to stop Obama if he does? The BATFE? The DOJ? The military? Oh, yeah, I forgot - Kagan, Sotomayor, etc. will tell him he has to stop. . .

Maybe I'm related to kcbrown?

But seriously, I don't know how far he will go, but I guarantee it will be a whole lot further than some on this forum were saying it would go before he was re-elected. I keep remembering hearing how Obama was never going to do anything to damage our RKBA.

Well, the former Joyce Foundation member is going to do everything he thinks he can get away with to kill our RKBA.

Right now he is trying to calibrate the opposition he will get and getting his flunkies in government, in the press, and in the big corporations to prepare for a gutting of our rights.

[SunTzu]

Internment camps for Americans of Japanese decent was done by executive order and upheld by Supreme Court. Public opinion and fear mongering is very powerful.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Biden-Obama-Will-Bypass-Congress-for-Gun-Control

[Cnynrat]

Internment camps for Americans of Japanese decent was done by executive order and upheld by Supreme Court. Public opinion and fear mongering is very powerful.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...or-Gun-Control

Different time, different likely response.

[BlooDSMeaR]

LEO's don't want the public to own guns. it makes their jobs that much more dangerous. They wouldn't want to be the ones going door to door confiscating either... Tough call but the one and only LEO I know is all about getting guns from us Joe's.

[Fellblade]

If he did issue an EO to make Semi-auto fall under NFA, wouldn't that give good ground to overturn NFA since the vast majority of firearms in common use would be restricted?

[gun toting monkeyboy]

LEO's don't want the public to own guns. it makes their jobs that much more dangerous. They wouldn't want to be the ones going door to door confiscating either... Tough call but the one and only LEO I know is all about getting guns from us Joe's.

Yeah, ummm... your research set consists of one. That is statistically insignificant. Look at how many LEOs are on here. Don't go painting them with a broad brush just because the only one you know is an a-hole.

-Mb