Hollow points

[sonofeugene]

Maybe a HP could do that if the first person shot was shot through a relatively thin area of the body with only soft tissue in the way. Maybe.

[P5Ret]

Oops guess I had that wrong. The gun registry is new, however. May I ask how difficult the red tape is in LA County to get a carry license? Trying to get things all legal & in a hurry.

You're just full of bad information. The gun registry is not new, it's been around for decades. Long guns were not registered prior to 2014, but even that is 11 years old now. You may want to do some real research into issues, instead of relying on who ever it is you're listening to.

[wamphyri13]

Hollow points are legal in California. Several years ago, San Bruno (where I live) tried to ban them and I think I helped put a stop to that. The council meeting was on the local cable network. I live three blocks from the senior center where these meeting often take place. The police chief and his so called expert were expounding to the council members on the "enhanced lethality" of hollow points and why they should be banned. Upon hearing that I jumped in my car and drove to the senior center. When the "expert" was finished, they asked if anyone wanted to speak. I did. I explained to the council members the basic ballistics of (9mm) hollow points vs standard FMJ ammo. I focused on the potential for over penetration with standard FMJ vs how a JHP actually works, and explained that the "enhanced lethality" was it's purpose primarily for the single target. The council woman asked the chief if this was true. Like a child caught lying, he hung his head low and replied, "Yes." I also explained that most people don't buy from the gun stores if they have a choice. (They wanted all ammo sales to be through a gun store) Most people would buy reloads at a gun show because it was way cheaper to buy in bulk. When it came to JHPs, most people would only buy 2 boxes. One to test in their gun, and one to use for home defense. Most aren't buying factory JHPs in bulk because it's too expensive. A box of 20 costing as much or slightly more than a box of 50 FMJ reloads. San Bruno never pursued the issue further. I think seeing the chief hang his head and me cutting through their bull**** to the uninformed council changed some minds that night.

[Rickybillegas]

Hollow points are legal in California. Several years ago, San Bruno (where I live) tried to ban them and I think I helped put a stop to that. The council meeting was on the local cable network. I live three blocks from the senior center where these meeting often take place. The police chief and his so called expert were expounding to the council members on the "enhanced lethality" of hollow points and why they should be banned. Upon hearing that I jumped in my car and drove to the senior center. When the "expert" was finished, they asked if anyone wanted to speak. I did. I explained to the council members the basic ballistics of (9mm) hollow points vs standard FMJ ammo. I focused on the potential for over penetration with standard FMJ vs how a JHP actually works, and explained that the "enhanced lethality" was it's purpose primarily for the single target. The council woman asked the chief if this was true. Like a child caught lying, he hung his head low and replied, "Yes." I also explained that most people don't buy from the gun stores if they have a choice. (They wanted all ammo sales to be through a gun store) Most people would buy reloads at a gun show because it was way cheaper to buy in bulk. When it came to JHPs, most people would only buy 2 boxes. One to test in their gun, and one to use for home defense. Most aren't buying factory JHPs in bulk because it's too expensive. A box of 20 costing as much or slightly more than a box of 50 FMJ reloads. San Bruno never pursued the issue further. I think seeing the chief hang his head and me cutting through their bull**** to the uninformed council changed some minds that night.

Bravo! Now tell me why a police chief would support a position that reduces public safety by trying to argue against a defensive round that reduces the chances of collateral damage? Just to stick it to civilians?

[Rickybillegas]

So, to summarize, it sounds like HP are legal everywhere in Ca. although several jurisdictions have tried to prohibit them, the efforts have failed. They sound 'scary' and more lethal, so civilians shouldn't have them?

[Preston-CLB]

Almost all democrats make hollow points. It's in their DNA.
-P

[MajorSideburns]

Hollow points are legal in California. Several years ago, San Bruno (where I live) tried to ban them and I think I helped put a stop to that. The council meeting was on the local cable network. I live three blocks from the senior center where these meeting often take place. The police chief and his so called expert were expounding to the council members on the "enhanced lethality" of hollow points and why they should be banned. Upon hearing that I jumped in my car and drove to the senior center. When the "expert" was finished, they asked if anyone wanted to speak. I did. I explained to the council members the basic ballistics of (9mm) hollow points vs standard FMJ ammo. I focused on the potential for over penetration with standard FMJ vs how a JHP actually works, and explained that the "enhanced lethality" was it's purpose primarily for the single target. The council woman asked the chief if this was true. Like a child caught lying, he hung his head low and replied, "Yes." I also explained that most people don't buy from the gun stores if they have a choice. (They wanted all ammo sales to be through a gun store) Most people would buy reloads at a gun show because it was way cheaper to buy in bulk. When it came to JHPs, most people would only buy 2 boxes. One to test in their gun, and one to use for home defense. Most aren't buying factory JHPs in bulk because it's too expensive. A box of 20 costing as much or slightly more than a box of 50 FMJ reloads. San Bruno never pursued the issue further. I think seeing the chief hang his head and me cutting through their bull**** to the uninformed council changed some minds that night.

Thank you for your service. It's our abstinence from engaging in politics that has allowed our rights to be steamrolled the way they have. You are a perfect example of how the system is supposed to work and the effort we citizens need to be putting into politics to have our voice heard. I'm curious if you also asked the police chief what type of ammunition HE carries in the gun that is always on him. That would have been the icing on the cake.

[MajorSideburns]

Oops guess I had that wrong. The gun registry is new, however. May I ask how difficult the red tape is in LA County to get a carry license? Trying to get things all legal & in a hurry.

People have been on the application wait list for years. It's become enough of a problem that it got national attention and I think the federal DOJ made a statement they were going to investigate the 2A obstruction of LA county.