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  • jb7706
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1570

    McGinness v Peredes open carry debate on News 10

    Former Sac sheriff John McGinness has a short debate with Sam Peredes (GOC) on News 10 in Sacramento discussing the recent open carry legislation. Video of Sacramento resident OC a shotgun included. Both speak plainly to the facts. Try to put your bias aside and listen to the statements made by each man. There is a lot there even if the words themselves are few.
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    Stonewalker
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 2780

    You're right, some very good insights, likely difficult for many people to hear on both sides of the OC issue. But your right, keeping your bias aside, this was a great discussion.
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    • #3
      ShootNMove
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 45

      I remember when McGinness spoke as a guest speaker in my crim law class. The man is definitely very intelligent and knowledgeable about the issues surrounding many of these kinds of things. Solid arguments on both sides, but I primarily agree with McGinness. He didnt like how they went about taking away open carry, "only a fool carries an unloaded gun", open carry scares people and is possibly detrimental to 2A, cities and rural areas should be treated differently, no impact on crime, etc. I think I would have a much stronger stance on this issue if CCW's were not as expensive and difficult to obtain, preventing many people from carrying period now. Overall both sides make solid arguments.

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        NotEnufGarage
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        • Oct 2010
        • 4832

        Video won't play
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          NotEnufGarage
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          • Oct 2010
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          Video won't play
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          "Those who give up some of their liberty in order to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty, nor safety." B. Franklin
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          The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or competition shooting. It's all about your inalienable rights to life and liberty.

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            SanPedroShooter
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            • Jan 2010
            • 9732

            Same here, no video.

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              monk
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 4454

              Same


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              • #8
                jb7706
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 1570

                Originally posted by SanPedroShooter
                Same here, no video.
                Try this link. Video without the story. I had a problem the first time I tried to watch it, I just refreshed the page and it played fine. Thought it was just me.

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                  zoomsan
                  Junior Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 5

                  What about occupy Oakland people that urinate and defecate in public. I bet that upsets a lot of people, but the politicians and police won't bat an eye at spending millions to give them their first amendment rights. The same logic should apply should it not. If someone feels uneasy about someone's actions and behavior then the police and politicians should intervene to stop it. That is their argument against open carry.

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                  • #10
                    AyatollahGondola
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 1162

                    That was an interesting video. I've carried my rifle slung on my back from home to the range, and it's about ten miles through sac county, most of it urban. One experience over a year ago saw me surrounded by his deputies, handcuffed, and searched.
                    The next time I advised the law enforcement I would be going again, and that I expected my rights would be respected. I was not molested the next time

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                    • #11
                      Sleighter
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 3624

                      A fair and reasonable debate, but truthfully between two seemingly pro 2a people. I think the debate represents the ccw vs OC debate better than a pro v anti 2a debate, which I thought it would be.
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                      • #12
                        Liberty1
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5541

                        McGinness and Peredes both were displaying their ignorance of the issue (and giving bad legal advice) Where to begin...
                        False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
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                        • #13
                          monk
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                          • Jul 2011
                          • 4454

                          Originally posted by Liberty1
                          McGinness and Peredes both were displaying their ignorance of the issue (and giving bad legal advice) Where to begin...

                          How about beginning with specifics?


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