(non) STD. Capacity law. Is it here to stay???

[Chosen_1]

Something will be done in

[yellowfin]

The days of California's magazine capacity restrictions are limited.

-Gene

Ten or less?

[sreiter]

Most of us thought this would have been done by now. Gene has/had some great work-around, and then ran into a hiccup. Paperwork or something. IIRC Ca. law violates some law that's been on the books since the mid 1700's.

As many others have pointed out, you can always go into the armor car business. There's exemptions.

I would think being a 07 SOT class 3 FFL would get you exempt too. Just like you could build a FA for yourself as a manufacturer sample.

[HowardW56]

You guys understand what a lifting of the ban would cause..."Rivers of blood in the streets", "Ca. will be like Tombstone".....

It will be Kamila, , it's those CGF guys again....

[HowardW56]

Most of us thought this would have been done by now. Gene has/had some great work-around, and then ran into a hiccup. Paperwork or something. IIRC Ca. law violates some law that's been on the books since the mid 1700's.

As many others have pointed out, you can always go into the armor car business. There's exemptions.

I would think being a 07 SOT class 3 FFL would get you exempt too. Just like you could build a FA for yourself as a manufacturer sample.

It could be a limited number of lawyers with a lot of irons in the fire for now...

There are only so many hours in a day...

And so many dollars to pay for those hours, so CONTRIBUTE!

[bwiese]

Most of us thought this would have been done by now. Gene has/had some great work-around, and then ran into a hiccup. Paperwork or something. IIRC Ca. law violates some law that's been on the books since the mid 1700's.

No hiccoughs, just some lawyer workload /workflow issues. There are many other things going on that are at a higher priority right now.

These special path(s) have in no way changed, been reduced or evaporated. CA will still not be able to do anything about this once the flow begins.

The newly identified path is still valid and we will get there but the lawyers have to lift their head for a bit. In addition, yet another alternate path has now been identified and researched - however we want to have the relevant materials and preventives in place before pulling the trigger.

We had tons of paperwork available - much courtesy of CA NRA legal team (Chuck Michel and Jason Davis at the time - before CA OLL stuff started in full swing at end of 2005. We don't have that much, however, on over-10rd magazines - and we need to fill those gaps in a special fashion so people don't get picked off once the deluge (either ver 1 or ver. 2) starts.

Depsite all the above, CA over-10-round magazine law may well stay on the books. A direct challenge can be problematic, but if it's irrelevant we don't really care that much

[hoffmang]

Let me say it this way. Very recently, two calgunners have had nasty run ins with the law. In both cases, they brought to light serious constitutional problems with certain California laws. Both laws and the cases they create are very, very important and could lead to a lot more practical expansion of the right to keep arms than the already hard to enforce magazine capacity limits.

There are only so many hours in the day and so much capital in the bank account. As such, those got prioritized up, and the magazine challenge came down a notch or two.

Should you start seeing big wins nationally (or cert grants on carry) the national and California case load starts to ease a bit. That's when you'll see this case move up in priority. At this exact second it is behind everything already filed, two new cases, and a reactive change of strategy in an existing case.

Once CGF can explain all of the above, I think people will understand why those take precedence over magazines.

-Gene

[mosinnagantm9130]

Let me say it this way. Very recently, two calgunners have had nasty run ins with the law. In both cases, they brought to light serious constitutional problems with certain California laws. Both laws and the cases they create are very, very important and could lead to a lot more practical expansion of the right to keep arms than the already hard to enforce magazine capacity limits.

There are only so many hours in the day and so much capital in the bank account. As such, those got prioritized up, and the magazine challenge came down a notch or two.

Should you start seeing big wins nationally (or cert grants on carry) the national and California case load starts to ease a bit. That's when you'll see this case move up in priority. At this exact second it is behind everything already filed, two new cases, and a reactive change of strategy in an existing case.

Once CGF can explain all of the above, I think people will understand why those take precedence over magazines.

-Gene

Thanks for explaining that Gene.

[gunsmith]

I once witnessed hundreds of rioters/thugs out to kill & another time 50 to 100 people attacking one guy. I deeply understand the need for 15 round mags in my glock etc...but can accept ten round mags for now in order to gain ccw rights for CA

[Dreaded Claymore]

Gene, thank you so much for your comments on the progress of CGF's efforts. I will sleep better in the coming nights, chuckling and giggling quietly to myself, as I imagine what is in store for us.

[ap3572001]

I once witnessed hundreds of rioters/thugs out to kill & another time 50 to 100 people attacking one guy. I deeply understand the need for 15 round mags in my glock etc...but can accept ten round mags for now in order to gain ccw rights for CA

I agree. I also have noticed when I travel to many states that MOST ccw holders carry single stack pistols and 2-3 inch barrel revolvers.

[dantodd]

10 rounds in a holster are better than 100 rounds in my safe.

[Citizen 14]

10 rounds in a holster are better than 100 rounds in my safe.

Well said.
Looking forward to the day when I can carry 10 rounds in a holster.
Thanks to the hard working folks here, I know that day is not so far off.

[oni.dori]

I have complete faith in Gene and the CGF team/associates. I know it is a matter of time until the law is either repealed, or gutted and neutered so badly, that it will be nothing more than a waste of black ink on State Goverment printings.
As of right now, methinks that the fighting of the illegally-configured semi-auto rifle ban is a little higher on the priority list, and a little important than the standard capacity mag ban; because, what is the point of having kick-@$$ mag capacity, if you can't use them in your eunic rifle? Just my 2 cents.
The only real concern about the situation that I have is, will the work around make the necissary cost of the mags so expensive, that it will be rather prohibitively expensive for the average calgunner to afford? I guess only time will tell...

[sreiter]

No hiccoughs, just some lawyer workload /workflow issues. There are many other things going on that are at a higher priority right now.

These special path(s) have in no way changed, been reduced or evaporated. CA will still not be able to do anything about this once the flow begins.

The newly identified path is still valid and we will get there but the lawyers have to lift their head for a bit. In addition, yet another alternate path has now been identified and researched - however we want to have the relevant materials and preventives in place before pulling the trigger.

We had tons of paperwork available - much courtesy of CA NRA legal team (Chuck Michel and Jason Davis at the time - before CA OLL stuff started in full swing at end of 2005. We don't have that much, however, on over-10rd magazines - and we need to fill those gaps in a special fashion so people don't get picked off once the deluge (either ver 1 or ver. 2) starts.

Depsite all the above, CA over-10-round magazine law may well stay on the books. A direct challenge can be problematic, but if it's irrelevant we don't really care that much

cool....i do remember the thread be it got deleted...Gene got a package, and one of the lawyers looked at it......I seem to recall Gene saying he didnt fill out some paper work correctly or something to that effect (unless i'm totally mistaken).....thats what i was referring to as the hiccup