My Employers Anti Firearm/Weapon Policy What Can Be Done?

[DGoodale]

I checked my Employers Policy on this issue. I don't have the exact verbage with me, but it is basically this:

Employees are not allowed to carry any weapon on their person, or even in their vehicle. They specifically name firearms, knives, and pepper spray...

Ask that the policy be clarified to:

"Employees are not allowed to illegally carry"...

But as others have said, it's their playground and their rules.

[RobG]

We had a guy fired close to a year ago for getting caught with his ccw. Basically he forgot about it, went on the streets, when he realized it he stashed his weapon in a personal bag. Unfortunately his partner saw the weapon and called the company. Upon return to the station he was immediately handcuffed by the local pd. When he informed him of his ccw status he was released and the pd left. He was subsequently fired on the spot and escorted off property. The company has a strict no weapons policy in which we all agree to upon accepting employment. He has no recourse per attorneys due to that fact.

Moral of this story: Do what you want but, if you ever use that weapon, expect to be thrown under the bus by your company. And be prepared to hire a good attorney.

[Bugei]

Alternative

You have 3 options in no particular order:
1.) Ignore the policy and accept the consequences if/when caught.
2.) Work with the employer to change the policy.
3.) Find another employer.

4) If anything bad happens, sue the employer.

[Steve_338LM]

People need to consider the employer's perspective. If they openly allow a CCW holder to carry a firearm on their premises, they assume the liability if something happens, even if it was a justifiable shooting. It sounds like the OP's employer is a large family-owned company that doesn't want to assume the additional liability of an employee shooting someone while on their payroll and/or property (owned versus leased doesn't matter). Think of the liability if the OP goes off and kills a bunch of employees and/or customers.

Also, a CCW hardly implies that the individual is qualified to defend the company premises. This is why there are professional (I use that term loosely in some cases), licensed and bonded companies that provide security.

Management doesn't know the OP (or most other employees) and probably would not want to make an exception unless the circumstances (i.e., perceived risk) and qualifications were exceptional.

FWIW, my company allows employees to carry firearms, and actually enjoys seeing someone's new acquisition, like an AR-15 or 1911, on their desk.

[RobG]

4) If anything bad happens, sue the employer.

Conversely, if anything bad happens when the employee pulls and uses the weapon, expect the company to do the same. If the employee does carry against co. policy and subsequently uses that weapon, I could see the co. washing their hands of the incident and placing the burden solely on the employee. It really is a bad situation to place yourself in.

[Super Spy]

If the gun is locked in your car, and you don't say anything to anyone about it, what are the chances of it being an issue? Since getting a CCW is difficult in the Bay Area I carry pepper spray. Sometimes it's visible as it's on my keychain and maybe hanging out of my pocket. I got a few comments at first, one lady said "why do you need that?" I told her, then she asked where she could get some.

[Arondos]

We have this same idiotic policy at work yet.

I have 4 different knives in my tools. One of which was company issued

I have screwdrivers I could stab with

I have hammers I can smash with

I can go get the high powered air rifle that gets used to take out birds and bats that get in the building

I have access to oxy-acetelyne that can make one heck of an explosion

But I better not bring and unauthorized "weapons" onto company property...

[Tom Gresham]

http://smartcarry.com/

[domino]

you also have the "illegal firearms". as long as your pistol is legal in the state of california this should be null and void

I copied and pasted that right out off the online employe policy handbook. I am fine, if you read it I am both authorized and they are legal. You are correct.

[DemocracyEnaction]

Rules wont help you if you are dead...

[Uriah02]

Then all the employer has to say is "Well Jim said he saw a pistol in your briefcase, prove there isn't one. Can't prove it's not there? You're fired".

Prove to me that this isn't recourse from X for me refusing their advances.

[Uriah02]

Correct me if I am wrong but unless you park on company property they can't touch you. If that is the case, leave it in the car.

[tabrisnet]

Even parking on company property isn't likely an issue, as long as it's locked in your trunk. Not that they might not be able to fire you for it... but they'd be highly unlikely to be find an excuse to search your car.

[Anchors]

I think it is going to take someone being killed in one of these phony "gun free zones" - followed by a large damage award by a jury to change the minds of insurance companies, employers and retailers. Then these clowns will be forced to either allow people to defend themselves or provide a truly gun free zone by setting up security checkpoints and screening everyone who goes in.

As far as I am concerned, from a moral point of view, the minute you disarm someone you assume responsibility for their safety.

Even parking on company property isn't likely an issue, as long as it's locked in your trunk. Not that they might not be able to fire you for it... but they'd be highly unlikely to be find an excuse to search your car.

Like I said. Unless you are a government contractor, even if they can search your car as per company policy that you agreed to they still can't search it.

They can fire you. But your employer will never be allowed in any situation to force you to open your vehicle or even really search your person. No way. Not in a million years.
If they do, resist. If they continue, sue for physical harassment/assault.

Now if you are a DOD contractor like the other guy, then you are SOL because they are going to search you if they feel like it.