Gun shop legal FUD

[Anchors]

Sorry if this is pointless information, but I need to vent to people that understand haha.
I am pretty bummed. I was at a gun shop I like and frequent near my house where a man was buying a 1911. (Btw they had a sweet looking U.S. Army 1911 that I have never seen. I think it was a new reissue, but it was rad.)
The guy behind the counter informed him that in California "a loaded magazine in the car, even if you don't have a gun with you is illegal".
I very, very, very politely corrected him. In the most polite manner possible and stated very simply that the court changed that and that unless you are a gang-member it doesn't apply to you.
He said, in a friendly way, not argumentative at all. "I don't know about that man, I'm pretty sure if they did change it they're going to change it back."
The conversation was virtually over so I kind of wandered down the counter to look at some ammo.

I then overheard him telling the customers "Well the ATF are good people and that is what the ATF told me. So, I don't know, but I'll go off what the ATF says and they said it is illegal."
Face palm @ why the ATF would care about/know CA PC.

I left without buying anything and don't think I will return.
I think this is one of the situations where as a community we are our own worst enemy and spreading FUD hinders everyone's ability to articulate their rights. How can you defend them if you don't know what they are?
I don't think I can support the place anymore even though most of the other guys are somewhat knowledgeable and friendly.

/Rant

[choprzrul]

what if your 1st grade teacher would have taken this type of tack the first time you came up with some wild tale?

You left on friendly terms, so why not go back during a slow time of their day and give them the correct info with supporting documentation?

We must do what we can to stem the tide of FUD. Leaving never to return leaves the flood gates open. Now, go do some CGN/CGF outreach and bring them into the fold.

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[Anchors]

what if your 1st grade teacher would have taken this type of tack the first time you came up with some wild tale?

You left on friendly terms, so why not go back during a slow time of their day and give them the correct info with supporting documentation?

We must do what we can to stem the tide of FUD. Leaving never to return leaves the flood gates open. Now, go do some CGN/CGF outreach and bring them into the fold.

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I've tried that at some local ranges and other places and people usually just get mad and think I'm trying to insult them since they think they know everything about everything.
You make a valid point though.
I definitely didn't want to mess up his sale, which is why I didn't push the issue since I know how much commission based pay sucks.
Maybe I will return eventually on a slow day and if he's there I'll just say sorry for correcting him, but that these are the facts and show him.

[Don29palms]

You can educate the ignorant but you can't fix stupid.

[M1A Rifleman]

My 2 cents:

1) Gun shops are about the worst place to either learn about guns or gun laws.

2) The "No loaded mag in a car" along with "ammo and guns must be carried separately" are myths than just don't die.

3) Stop correcting people, and I suggest MYOB in the future. Not sure why those on this forum are so interested in "correcting", "informing", and "educating" people about gun laws, AW's etc. Even if your right about your opinion, MYOB, as most of the time the end result will be negative.

I have not been to a public range for months, and my new fear is I'm going have some kid wearing a Calguns T-shirt approach me an start yacking about my using 20 rnd mags and having a FS on my M1A etc.

[Anchors]

Why should that dude buying the gun have to go through those extra steps when he doesn't have to or think he has even less rights than he already does?

I minded my own business by leaving instead of continuing since that guy wasn't willing to listen, but I feel better knowing that I tried.

You are right about those two being the worst ones though.

[M1A Rifleman]

Why should that dude buying the gun have to go through those extra steps when he doesn't have to or think he has even less rights than he already does?
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Are you some sort of super hero put here on earth to protect the stupid and uninformed? If a guy is going to go into a gun shop ignorant about the law and his purchase, then thats his choice. He is probably the same guy that pays MSRP for a new car.

[Anchors]

Are you some sort of super hero put here on earth to protect the stupid and uninformed? If a guy is going to go into a gun shop ignorant about the law and his purchase, then thats his choice. He is probably the same guy that pays MSRP for a new car.

No, definitely not.
But it's still like this:
The more people are misinformed the harder it is for us to progress.
This is just how I see it. It's okay if you don't feel the same way.
I don't do it in a condescending manner, so I don't see a problem with offering some factual advice.

[Hopalong]

Ryan, look, I know you were well intentioned, and didn't have a condescending attitude.

But, the reality of it is, as you get older, you realize you can't save the world, or even save people from themselves.

They must educate themselves, in their own way.

Some people never get educated.

The fact is, encounters like this just frustrate and bother you, otherwise you wouldn't have posted.

That gun shop, and the FUD told there is renting space in your head.

No need to stop going there, if you like other things about the shop.

If you stop going places because of all the stupid crap you here, you'll eventually never leave the house.

Educate yourself, and don't worry about the nonsense around you, unless it affects you directly.

Have fun, and if there is something at that shop you like or want, and it's convenient and priced right, go get it.

[ale014]

i think you acted right, left before any other conversation goes sour. i agree with you 100 percent. letting people know certain laws in a non condescending way just lets people understand firearm laws/rules/and safety.

Not letting some know about certain things to me is like not letting a new shooter know about the 4 firearm safety rule.

just being polite and informative in the constant changing gun laws is the decent thing to do IMO.

if someone chooses not to believe me, than so be it. i won't be too butt hurt about it. i don't want to go around lecturing people like a prick.

so gj ryan you tried

[MP301]

Seriously? You would throw the baby out with the bath water?

Look at it like this. The gun dealers are walking a fine line. True, they dont always know the law and get imput from ATF, CA DOJ, etc.

Example, In late 1999 the DOJ BOF sent "Memos" to all CA dealers about the high cap magazine law. They actually quoted the statute with one exception. They added the word "transfer" at the end.

They did this on purpose because without that one single word NOT included in the statute, the only person in violation is the party that imports, loans, sells, manufactures, etc. NOT the buyer, possessor, etc. They wanted everyone to believe differently then what the statute said and it worked for many years.

So, instead of getting pissed off at the crap you hear from dealers...that they most likely heard from DOJ or ATF, work on fixing the problem.

And correcting in front of other customers, however polite, may not get you anywhere. People are people and they dont like to look bad...in their mind, its their business and they should know better.

Maybe keeping your mouth shut at that moment and then providing documentation at a more appropriate time might be the answer. Maybe asking for their business card and email address would create an opening for us to fix this?

Just remember, FUD usually doesnt start with the FFL. It usually starts higher up the food chain. When people hear something from what appears to be credible source, it tends to stick with them. Ask yourself how long you believed you had to keep ammo seperate from the firearm while transporting it in a vehicle? I believed this up until just a few years ago because thats what I remember. It became fact after believing it so long. It was never the law to my knowledge, yet there it is. Old habits and beliefs die hard!

[Anchors]

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If you stop going places because of all the stupid crap you here, you'll eventually never leave the house.
Educate yourself, and don't worry about the nonsense around you, unless it affects you directly.

This is usually how I am, but I am very passionate about firearms (obviously) and legislation based on FUD does affect me.
But you make solid points.

don't want to go around lecturing people like a prick.

so gj ryan you tried

That is what I was going for. I was going to be a dick about it haha.

Maybe keeping your mouth shut at that moment and then providing documentation at a more appropriate time might be the answer. Maybe asking for their business card and email address would create an opening for us to fix this?

Just remember, FUD usually doesnt start with the FFL. It usually starts higher up the food chain.

You are most definitely right about addressing it later.

And I agree with the FUD. It usually starts with the people who want that FUD to be fact.

[Bill Carson]

If it wasn't for gun shop employees where we get our FUD from ? I think they enjoy spreading FUD. Maybe they have to do it to keep BATF off of their backs.

[BKinzey]

My 2 cents:

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3) Stop correcting people, and I suggest MYOB in the future. Not sure why those on this forum are so interested in "correcting", "informing", and "educating" people about gun laws, AW's etc. Even if your right about your opinion, MYOB, as most of the time the end result will be negative.

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Why do you come here? If MYOB is your suggestion then follow it yourself. Why did you post and "correct" and "inform" the OP?

Isn't it because we are seeking good information? Aren't we all aware that a major part of our battle is mis-information? Going to a gun store is where a lot of people go for information. If they are passing FUD it is going to affect you, maybe not directly, but people with bad information make bad decisions and that very well may indirectly affect you.

We all come here to get good information. I don't understand why some want to treat that as gold and hoard it all. The idea is how you go about spreading the wealth. And sure, information is like gold in that if you form it into a brick people rather it not be thrown at them.

[Uriah02]

2) The "No loaded mag in a car" along with "ammo and guns must be carried separately" are myths than just don't die.

I was repeatedly told this one at the weapon safety class given for the gun club I was a member of. I think the briefer came down to, "okay, it might not be illegal, but as policy the club advises ..."