Reciprocity in the tax bill

[OleCuss]

At the moment, slipping reciprocity into the "tax deal" won't work. Not enough Democrat senators on board to put that in and still expect it to pass - it'd effectively be a poison pill and effectively kill the bill.

Better to wait until you've got a bill for which the Democrats are heavily on board otherwise and tell them that they'll have to swallow reciprocity or they don't get what they want.

So if the Republicans tacked reciprocity onto the "Dream Act" the Democrats would still vote for it and Obama would still sign it. It also just might garner a few Republican votes for the act. And no, I'm implacably opposed to the "Dream Act" and believe it to be a betrayal of a nation - but it works for illustrative purposes. Well, OK, I might go for a Dream Act provision whereby someone who serves honorably in our Armed Services for a minimum of 6 years (a normal enlistment) would then be eligible for citizenship.

[753X0]

Exactly.

Travelshot, this is a good point and demonstrates how SCOTUS got mcDonald wrong. due process shouldn't be applied to substantive rights. Carrying a gun will be a civil right just like getting married, you don't have to get married in each state to which you move or through which you travel. Same goes for 2A. As someone else pointed out out should be covered by full faith and credit clause.

Justice Thomas got it right. Or, as right as can be, post 1873....

[wellerjohn]

Well, OK, I might go for a Dream Act provision whereby someone who serves honorably in our Armed Services for a minimum of 6 years (a normal enlistment) would then be eligible for citizenship.

Yes sir! Thats the only way I would be onboard.

[pointedstick]

Well, OK, I might go for a Dream Act provision whereby someone who serves honorably in our Armed Services for a minimum of 6 years (a normal enlistment) would then be eligible for citizenship.

I agree, anyone willing to fight and die for our country should be eligible for citizenship. Also, isn't that pretty similar to what the bill actually says?

[Bhobbs]

I agree, anyone willing to fight and die for our country should be eligible for citizenship. Also, isn't that pretty similar to what the bill actually says?

From what I understand anyone who is illegal and attends college and served in the military for 2 years is given temporary citizenship and when they finish college or the military is given full citizenship. I don't know if that is correct but that is what I got when I read over the bill.

[OleCuss]

I agree, anyone willing to fight and die for our country should be eligible for citizenship. Also, isn't that pretty similar to what the bill actually says?

Bhobbs is right in the ballpark.

I have a huge objection to the idea that if you enter our country illegally and bamboozle the government into taking money from its citizens to educate you - that this should entitle you to any form of citizenship.

Ripping off the taxpayer while your very presence is an illegality and there's a good chance you've been presenting a false identity is somehow a record which means you're likely to be an upstanding citizen?

No.

Limit it to honorable service in the armed forces for the time period of 6 years and I'll salute them as they take the citizenship oath.

Otherwise send them back across the border as we chastise the multiple administrations who have winked at wholesale violations of our law.

And if anyone thinks I'm prejudiced? I'm married to a legal immigrant (now a naturalized U.S. citizen) born and raised in a country rather South of Mexico. I love Hispanics and I love Hispanic immigrants - as long as they're legal and don't sponge off the taxpayer for anything.

[dustoff31]

From what I understand anyone who is illegal and attends college and served in the military for 2 years is given temporary citizenship and when they finish college or the military is given full citizenship. I don't know if that is correct but that is what I got when I read over the bill.

So they consider attending college and sitting in some craphole getting shot at in A-stan equally worthy of citizenship?

Shameless. Politicians will do anything to for votes.


ETA:

Bhobbs is right in the ballpark.

I have a huge objection to the idea that if you enter our country illegally and bamboozle the government into taking money from its citizens to educate you - that this should entitle you to any form of citizenship.

Yep. And legal immigrants are already entitled to expedited citizenship through military service.