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  • DocSkinner
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 1225

    Originally posted by GOEX FFF
    I've never really understood why they're called "Buy Backs".
    The state, city or local PD never owned them before, so what are they buying back?
    Because all guns belong to the government, so they are just getting them back?
    "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature,
    but by our institutions, great is our sin."
    -- Charles Darwin

    NRA Life, CRPA Life, SASS Life, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor & Range Safety Officer, FSC Instructor

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    • CitaDeL
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2007
      • 5843

      Originally posted by ryang
      Exactly who do you think this would deter? People who legally own the firearm they wish to turn in? Or people with illegal guns or are prohibited from legally owning them?

      So let me get this straight: you want felons and people with stolen firearms to keep them? Bravo.
      Correct me if I am wrong, but is this or is this not an ideal circumstance for criminals to dispose of a weapon used in an unsolved murder or other violent crime by exploiting the clear amnesty that the authorities are offering?

      So, what would your preference be? A felon or criminal in possession of the evidence that could be used against them to ensure a conviction or a criminal using the the bogus buyback to destroy evidence linking them to any crime?

      I believe that detering cooperation with organized efforts to remove firearms from the 'streets' will make the law-abiding reconsider taking the gun into a firearms dealer (would be helpful if they were on the spot) as well as freak out the bad guys who deserve to sweat out their guilt for their criminal enterprises.

      These gun 'buybacks' do not make the public 'safer' no matter how you spin it. A felon in possession of a stolen gun or a gun used in a crime (or even one that hasnt) is a GOOD thing- because it establishes a chain of evidence that will build a case against them in court if they happen to be caught with it.



      Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat

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      • Pig Rifle
        Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 215

        Bolt-action shotguns? Saturday Night Specials? Hey ryang, do you know what a barrel shroud is? Hahahahaha....
        Originally Posted by HondaMasterTech
        I thought "Assault clips" was a super-aggressive hair salon.

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        • onedavetoomany
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 44

          I live a few miles away from South Hayward BART. Last year, our house was burglarized and several firearms were among the items stolen. If the thief sold my guns to the Hayward Police, would the police be required to return them to me? The serial numbers were given in the original police report.

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          • GOEX FFF
            ☆ North Texas ☆
            CGN Contributor
            • Jun 2007
            • 6333

            Originally posted by Pig Rifle
            Bolt-action shotguns? Saturday Night Specials? Hey ryang, do you know what a barrel shroud is? Hahahahaha....

            In all fairness... yes, there have been a number of Bolt action shotguns made.
            Mossberg making the most.. such as -

            Mossberg Model 190
            Mossberg 195K-A
            Mossberg 185 D-B
            Mossberg 20 gauge Model 85-A

            There are more...

            Marlin (Glenfield) also made the Model 55 SuperGoose that was a bolt action shotgun.
            As well as other companies such as JC Higgins... and Stevens with their Mod.59A in .410.
            Last edited by GOEX FFF; 10-31-2010, 9:32 PM.
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            • sv_1
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 525

              Originally posted by Pig Rifle
              Bolt-action shotguns? Saturday Night Specials? Hey ryang, do you know what a barrel shroud is? Hahahahaha....
              If you'd like to borrow mine to go crow hunting, id be more than happy to oblige

              Though it lacks a shoulder thingie...

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              • Shadowdrop
                Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 495

                What a great way to get rid of a murder weapon...

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                • Wherryj
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 11085

                  Originally posted by bwiese
                  http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...buy-back-event


                  Perhaps the time to sell some AK flats



                  Hayward Police Holding Gun Buy-Back Event
                  disarm dangerous situations in Hayward before they happenannual gun buy-back
                  How's that working Hayward? With this annual buy back, I'd assume that they've "disarmed" pretty much every dangerous situation in Hayward by now?
                  "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
                  -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
                  "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
                  I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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                  • Wherryj
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 11085

                    Originally posted by CitaDeL
                    Correct me if I am wrong, but is this or is this not an ideal circumstance for criminals to dispose of a weapon used in an unsolved murder or other violent crime by exploiting the clear amnesty that the authorities are offering?

                    So, what would your preference be? A felon or criminal in possession of the evidence that could be used against them to ensure a conviction or a criminal using the the bogus buyback to destroy evidence linking them to any crime?

                    I believe that detering cooperation with organized efforts to remove firearms from the 'streets' will make the law-abiding reconsider taking the gun into a firearms dealer (would be helpful if they were on the spot) as well as freak out the bad guys who deserve to sweat out their guilt for their criminal enterprises.

                    These gun 'buybacks' do not make the public 'safer' no matter how you spin it. A felon in possession of a stolen gun or a gun used in a crime (or even one that hasnt) is a GOOD thing- because it establishes a chain of evidence that will build a case against them in court if they happen to be caught with it.
                    It is indeed a perfect way for a criminal to dispose of a murder weapon-NO questions asked AND they get PAID for it.
                    "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
                    -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
                    "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
                    I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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                    • 383green
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 4328

                      Originally posted by Wherryj
                      It is indeed a perfect way for a criminal to dispose of a murder weapon-NO questions asked AND they get PAID for it.
                      A great opportunity, indeed, for any criminals who are too stupid to figure out how to render their murder weapon unrecognizable with a stolen angle grinder or welding torch.
                      They don't care about your stupid guns! --Mitch
                      Mark J. Blair, NF6X

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                      • Monte
                        Member
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 426

                        Originally posted by 383green
                        I consider a gun buy-back to be comparable to a book-burning. While a book-burning might be a convenient way to get rid of one's unwanted heretical texts, it fosters disrespect for a fundamental right and perpetuates ignorant ideas about objects having some inherent evil separate from the actions of their owners.
                        I couldn't agree more. Very well put.

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                        • dfletcher
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14779

                          Gee, there's a term out there for an operation that takes in often stolen merchendise and gives back just a few cents on the dollar. I think it's illegal. Hmm, now what's that called ......?
                          GOA Member & SAF Life Member

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                          • AAShooter
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • May 2010
                            • 7188

                            Originally posted by 383green
                            . . . I consider a gun buy-back to be comparable to a book-burning. While a book-burning might be a convenient way to get rid of one's unwanted heretical texts, it fosters disrespect for a fundamental right and perpetuates ignorant ideas about objects having some inherent evil separate from the actions of their owners.
                            Well stated . . . I wish I had written that.

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                            • 383green
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 4328

                              Originally posted by dfletcher
                              Gee, there's a term out there for an operation that takes in often stolen merchendise and gives back just a few cents on the dollar. I think it's illegal. Hmm, now what's that called ......?
                              Fence.
                              They don't care about your stupid guns! --Mitch
                              Mark J. Blair, NF6X

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                              • Havoc70
                                CGSSA Leader
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 798

                                So how much has crime dropped in Hayward since this event? My bet is on 0%.
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